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post #21 of 56 Old 11-19-2013, 12:45 PM
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I'm sure the BL advocates are trucking out the tried and true "every breed has it's dark side" defense. That is probably even true. It does not, IMO, excuse or give a "pass" to anybody's dark side. Indeed, it's "sand box reasoning" that's common among five year olds ("Johhny played the fool; why can't I?"). I would hope that adults get past this; if they don't then they are not very adult.

It's not the weight of the package that is the issue. It's the MOVEMENT that the package causes. The photo dramatically shows one aspect of that movement. As for the "it happens in other breeds" defense how about we ask the advocates of such defense for photos of this sort thing in other breeds? Mind you, if we get them it doesn't really make any difference. Idiocy among, say, dressage riders, is not a license for idiocy among TWH riders.

Frankly, turn out is not required for healthy horse. A healthy horse will likely be a "happy horse" (which, of course, presumes a fact not in evidence, i.e., that horses can ever be "happy"). A complaint about "lack of turnout" is a "red herring."

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Ok. I will agree to disagree. Because, Im sure that you will continue to run me around in circles and quite frankly I dont have a dog in the fight.

My point, and the point of many supporters of BL, is not that "johnny does it" but more so, Johnny does it, and the world either ignores it, or at least social media and the news, but when I do it ("I" being the TWH industry) It has now become a felony, or the federal government who likely has bigger fish to fry, now gets to say what type of shoes I can put on my horse.

Again, I agree that anyone caought soring a horse should be flauged. But I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand.

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I personally don't see how an animal as large as a horse can be healthy standing in a stable for 20 hours a day - and that's assuming it has 4 hours of some sort of exercise that's going to be sufficient for healthy circulation of the whole body and healthy muscles - which I doubt many do
I rode a part bred Arabian one winter and it wasn't unusual that the only time it went out of its stable was when I rode it - the horse was not my responsibility btw and I had no control over how it was kept at all.
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Ok. I will agree to disagree. Because, Im sure that you will continue to run me around in circles and quite frankly I dont have a dog in the fight.

My point, and the point of many supporters of BL, is not that "johnny does it" but more so, Johnny does it, and the world either ignores it, or at least social media and the news, but when I do it ("I" being the TWH industry) It has now become a felony, or the federal government who likely has bigger fish to fry, now gets to say what type of shoes I can put on my horse.

Again, I agree that anyone caought soring a horse should be flauged. But I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand.

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Well, I'm using neither a round pen nor a longe line, here!

You've also stated the final defense of the Sore Lick community, the "Charlie Brown Defense" ("Why's every body always picking on me?"). I've watched this whole scenario play out four times since I bought my first Walker in 1987. It's always the same.

I do not frivolously invite governmental regulation. It's often a very bad idea; less frequently it's a very good idea. Most of the time it's somewhere inbetween.

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You've also stated the final defense of the Sore Lick community, the "Charlie Brown Defense" ("Why's every body always picking on me?").
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If i get pulled over for speeding and the guy who just past me didn't, I'm fine with that. If 5 of us are in a group walking through the park and a bird ****s on my head, fine. Im not talking about ooops I got cought and they didn't, and I'm not talking about luck of the draw. What I am talking about is a witch hunt that is pointed directly at the TWH industry. I have been around QH bred for cattle, the 1/4mile, and pleasure, I have been around barrel horses, I have been around TB bred and raised for the track, and I have been around gaited stuff, and I can tell you that I have seen as bad and worse done to running horses as I have gaited stuff.... "Oh you can't get him broke? Took sweat out of him? That didn't do it? Well..... bleed him. That ought to take the fight out."

But you dont see pics or video of trainers taking blood out of a horse to get the fight out of him. You dont see western pleasure trainers beating horses on video, but Ive seen it, they just werent in cross ties. tails broken and set, EVERY weekend at the local barrel shows I can show you a group of "trainers" and if you follow them around youll see em take a crop to the face head of a horse or fists or whatever is handy. no one is blowing up the barrel racing industry. My point is, and you can take it for what you will, that this set of laws is pointed directly at the TWH industry, and I feel like it probly ought to be pointed at horses in genral. spread the fines and felonies about cause walking horses arent the only ones being abused.....

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New Huffington Post article following up on the last.

This Man Refuses To Be Intimidated By Threat After Testifying On Horse Abuse
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There is no "witch hunt." There never has been. There has been an effort to end a series of brutal practices that have been condoned, even celebrated, at the highest levels of the TWH industry. That's the long of and short of it.

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I enjoy reading and respect, much of what you contribute to this forum, but I fear on this subject we will fail to find a middle ground. I will now bow out.

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The fight against the soring and "pads" is a different issue from individual trainers who physically beat their horses, bleed them, etc. No one is denying that those things exist. I have also been around WP Quarter Horses (as much as I'd ever want to be, frankly) and am fully aware of the practice of bleeding, of "blocking" the tails, of tying young horses for hours in their stalls with their heads high so that they are worn out when the time comes to work them. I think it's disgusting. It was enough to make me so burnt-out of the horse world that I nearly quit horses altogether at one point.

But this thread is about the Tennessee Walking Horse.

The pads/chains/action devices/chemicals are considered a commonly-accepted method of creating the very thing that most of the general public thinks of when they hear the name of the breed. High-stepping show horses. The Big Lick. Whatever the QH people do, or the ASB people do, or the Arabian people do. . .does not excuse what the TWH people do to "create the gait." Which is, they make a horse move a certain way out of pain and discomfort, and they get ribbons, trophies and titles based on who does it the best.

No one is saying the other breeds don't have issues. They do. It's one of the reasons I have ZERO interest in breed show "rail classes." To me, they are a poor example of demonstrating a horse's natural ability or movement.
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I enjoy reading and respect, much of what you contribute to this forum, but I fear on this subject we will fail to find a middle ground. I will now bow out.

Thanks
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Fair enough.

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So, because there are abusive practices in other disciplines of riding, we shouldn't bother to do anything about this one? I may be reading the above posts incorrectly, but that's what I'm gathering...

And, if that the case, it's a horrible mind set to have. Progress would never be made.

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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