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post #11 of 14 Old 07-27-2011, 04:37 PM
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I wasn't posting "negatively" towards anyone. I don't see how any fair reading of what I wrote could be construed as "negative."

Your method may work well for your but I consider it an extra step that is unncessary.

My discipline presumes that I am riding in contact. So moving a rein to "signal" that it's time to "collect" would be superluous. I also ride mostly with one hand and while I could do some sort of "finger waggle" that would, also, be superfluous. If I'm to increase or decrease the level of collection I'll do that with the leg/seat first, then modify the hand.

I will disagee that "the goal with a walker is to ride on a loose rein while in form". A huge percentage of Walkers work poorly on a loose rein and very well in contact. Now I mean "classical" contact not "TWHBEA Celebration contact" (where everyone has forearms that rival those of Popeye the Sailor). The type of contact you use is less determined by breed or way of going than by discipline. If you're going to try some eventing or anything in the classical equitation line then you'll need to be riding with contact.

If you're going the Western route or hack out on trails then you won't.

I didn't intend to demean or debase your approach. It may well work quite effectively in some disciplines. In others it won't. IMO the more "classical" approach works accross the board and, while it requires a higher level of rider skill and effort, pays larger dividends.

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post #12 of 14 Old 07-27-2011, 05:38 PM Thread Starter
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Listening to you two talk, Guilherme and Kstinston, is very interesting. I can see both sides of the discussion. Don't think I've jumped ship since I haven't replied in a while... I'm listening and thinking.


Never heard that one before. Like shoulder in or leg yield? Our shoulder in is pretty rough still; nice leg yield. I've done both these exercises in gait before... I wonder if they helped. I was too focused on getting them right to see what precise gait I was in.
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If it was not meant in a demeaning way at all, then I apologize for getting on the defense. It is tough to differentiate when reading someone else’s highlighting of words or stresses what is and isn’t as it seems.

Your thoughts certainly leave something to think about, I find after having used this one rein on Sable, I don’t need to really take any contact in the mouth as you said while on Sable when I drive her forward as she just tends to hold it on her own as I have give her the cue to collect… meanwhile I just hold my hands steady and she gets under herself, which maybe for equitation would look more relaxed as the actual transition is quite motionless for the rider? Not sure…regardless, two different methods, neither bad just different. Hopefully my next step will be to remove the rein cue out of my request and just drive her forward during gait change, but I do find that rein cue for corrections in the same gait work for me simply because it is like a subtle ‘hey, pay attention, that’s wrong’ and she gets back to focus.

btw, when I say loose rein I mean that the rein is loose enough for the horse to shake its head with just a slight feeling of contact with each downward shake (in the write ups for the shows they for ‘riding on a loose rein’ for TWHBEA shows in Canada, so that is what I mean by loose rein). Loose enough the horse is carrying itself while moving forward but still in contact with you, as the goal is self carriage. Flipping through a Voice magazine last night of a friends and we were discussing how uncomfortable the whole ride looks at the lite shod padded horses, a much more natural look is to my tastes as well!

Thanks you’re your ideas, despite an conflict, I am reading and paying close attention as I find that one never can stop learning or needing help where horses are concerned as at the end of the day they are all different, and Brighteyes, you may just find one or the other works, a combination of the two, or neither for you but something else! Either way, goodluck!
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post #14 of 14 Old 07-27-2011, 06:23 PM
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Zab, out of curiosity, to correct the gait by shouldering in, would that not disrupt the gait more so before the correction? I am just tyring to visualize how you're doing it. Never heard of this method before and am interested.
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