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    06-02-2012, 02:55 PM
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Yearling
Imus 4Beat Saddle

Hey ya'll! So I use a Freeform treeless saddle at the moment, but I am thinking of investing in a Imus 4Beat saddle for when we go do our serious climbing rides in the Badlands. I feel that it would be best to use a well-fitting treed saddle for these rides. So, does anyone have one of these saddles? I would prefer to buy used because I HATE breaking in new saddles, plus they're cheaper :) But I want to know a bit more about them. I have been on Brenda Imus' website and have been educating myself, and I really like them so far, but I am still trying to do more research. I want reviews from people that aren't on the website because we all know that only the good reviews go there. So what do you guys think or know about these saddles that I should know?

One problem that I have found thus far is that they don't have a small enough seat for me. I am a very very very very petite person, and need a 14" seat. The Imus 4Beat comes in a 15" being the smallest size.

If anyone knows a lot about these please dish your knowledge here!

Thank you all
     
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    06-02-2012, 04:08 PM
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Super Moderator
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Here is an independent review sight, Imus did not do well

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    06-02-2012, 06:20 PM
  #3
Yearling
She got 5 stars! Here is the review for the saddle I am looking at: Gaits of Gold - Brenda Imus 4 Beat Gaited Endurance Saddle Trail Saddles Reviews @ Horse Tack Review

I want it for my fox trotter and I found out earlier today that a lady from the stable that owns a Paso uses an Imus 4 Beat and she loves it, so I am going to try to buy a used one after I get Hunny fit for one. Thank you for showing me that web page though! That is a genius page! Definitely going to bookmark it :)
     
    06-02-2012, 07:55 PM
  #4
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Originally Posted by cowgirl928    
She got 5 stars! Here is the review for the saddle I am looking at: Gaits of Gold - Brenda Imus 4 Beat Gaited Endurance Saddle Trail Saddles Reviews @ Horse Tack Review

I want it for my fox trotter and I found out earlier today that a lady from the stable that owns a Paso uses an Imus 4 Beat and she loves it, so I am going to try to buy a used one after I get Hunny fit for one. Thank you for showing me that web page though! That is a genius page! Definitely going to bookmark it :)
Yes, although even as an independent site you cannot know all the facts, but the other 11 reviews are pretty bad... just saying :)


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    06-02-2012, 08:19 PM
  #5
Trained
I'll just say this sounds very strange:

"Q. Where should the 4-Beat ™ Saddle rest on the horse?

A.The Imus 4-Beat™ Saddle is designed to fit forward over the horse's wither and shoulder, rather than in the spot just behind the back of the scapula, and places the rider in a slightly less vertical seat position (more 'back in the saddle,') than what is common today. Because of this positioning and our flexible bars, the saddle cannot interfere with the action of the shoulder--a common saddle fitting problem often not recognized.

Q. How does the rider sit in the 4-Beat™ Saddle?

A. To further enhance the correct seat position and to take pressure off the rider's knees-the free swinging stirrups are placed an inch more forward than usual. This riding position has long been promoted by some equestrians as being superior to the typical head/hips/ankles alignment that is currently in vogue. The classic John Fallis saddle is one popular example of a stock horse saddle that uses this type of seat. The 4-Beat's overall design and positioning places the rider exactly over the horse's center of gravity, in spite of the less rigidly upright seat position."

And none of the pictures I saw showed someone whose center of gravity was "exactly over the horse's center of gravity". I'm a fan of a chair seat for some purposes, but a chair seat will put you behind the horse's center of gravity.

I don't own a gaited horse, but this seems pretty weird to me. I'd love to see a fuller explanation...

     
    06-02-2012, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bsms    
I'll just say this sounds very strange:

"Q. Where should the 4-Beat ™ Saddle rest on the horse?

A.The Imus 4-Beat™ Saddle is designed to fit forward over the horse's wither and shoulder, rather than in the spot just behind the back of the scapula, and places the rider in a slightly less vertical seat position (more 'back in the saddle,') than what is common today. Because of this positioning and our flexible bars, the saddle cannot interfere with the action of the shoulder--a common saddle fitting problem often not recognized.

Q. How does the rider sit in the 4-Beat™ Saddle?

A. To further enhance the correct seat position and to take pressure off the rider's knees-the free swinging stirrups are placed an inch more forward than usual. This riding position has long been promoted by some equestrians as being superior to the typical head/hips/ankles alignment that is currently in vogue. The classic John Fallis saddle is one popular example of a stock horse saddle that uses this type of seat. The 4-Beat's overall design and positioning places the rider exactly over the horse's center of gravity, in spite of the less rigidly upright seat position."

And none of the pictures I saw showed someone whose center of gravity was "exactly over the horse's center of gravity". I'm a fan of a chair seat for some purposes, but a chair seat will put you behind the horse's center of gravity.

I don't own a gaited horse, but this seems pretty weird to me. I'd love to see a fuller explanation...
I agree with you, that is the goofiest thing I have ever heard

You do not put the Tree in the saddle over the Horse Shoulders, that goes common sense, you do not want to bind the Horsed Shoulders up, especially in a Gaited Horse. The Bars are not going to flex enough to allow sitting over the shoulders... I know who make their Trees :)

Having the stirrups more forward by an inch? The Tree maker has a slot for the leathers to go in, this cannot be changed. Maybe they use 1" leathers instead of the normal 2.5' wide and slide them in the slot farther forward?

Now I can see why 8 of the 13 reviews were very, very low....lol..


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    06-03-2012, 10:14 AM
  #7
Yearling
Well with gaited horses I do know that you want to be in the position you would sit in if you ride bareback because if you sit to far back it is harder for them to gait, a common problem with finding a saddle to correctly fit a gaited horse and allow them to gait properly with a free forward movement. This is why a lot of gaited saddles are actually supposed to be cutback so they sit farther up on the horse. This will put you in a position on the horse that is more likened to riding bareback. Here are show photos for some representation... Do you see how her legs come forward more and give her more of a chair seat? Also, the saddle is placed a bit farther forward then a normal saddle is. I don't know about everyone else, but I have found that my horse gaits much better when I ride bareback then when in a saddle. When I do ride her in her saddle, it sits very far forward on her so that I am put into a seat directly where I would be riding if I was riding bareback. So yes, the Imus saddle idea may seem strange, but it does make sense. I am not a fan of how much of a chair seat this saddle puts you in, as when I ride bareback I am not in an extreme chair seat and to me this seems a bit extreme, but when I saw my stable mate riding in hers it looks very very natural. I will ask her for a photo today if I see her at the stable!
     
    06-03-2012, 10:43 AM
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Trained
I don't object to a chair seat. It is fine for some purposes and some saddles. I like it and use it sometimes. But I do object to the idea of putting the saddle tree so it rests on the shoulders of the horse. I just don't see how anything good can come from that.
     
    06-03-2012, 11:31 AM
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Cowgirl,

The rider in the picture is in a cutback English Saddle

In a Western, many Gaited Saddle have a higher Cantle which will push you farther forward and also provide good back support. Some models have the 5" Cantle for this, the 3.5" and 4" cantles allow you to sit farther back, but that also is dictated on how the front of the seat is built up as to your eventual position.

In a Western Saddles most Gaited Models have a distinct Flair in the front of the Bars of the Tree allowing for the Shoulders of the Horse to be Free.

There are many brands of Gaited Saddles to choose from, I just not believe the theory that Imus uses is the best one, the tree on the shoulder part :)

14" Seats will be a little harder to find used.

Do you know what Tree size your Horse needs? Narrow, Medium, Wide?

Price range? We can help you look around and offer suggestions.


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    06-03-2012, 11:42 AM
  #10
Yearling
I have no idea of tree size! Which is one reason I like that on the Imus website I can get an answer within about a 24 hour period on what she needs. I would reallllly prefer a saddle under 700, but I will go up to 800. The most irritating thing for me so far is finding a saddle that fits me and Hunny since just about every saddle that fits her does not fit me :/ Since I am so short I also need fenders or leathers that can go short enough for me. This is the other reason I prefer to ride bareback lol I am only 4'11", and am incredibly compact. I can't have a saddle that is wide because otherwise I cannot walk afterwards because my knees can't take it, this is a problem I had with my past barrel saddle. I don't want a western saddle. I prefer the endurance type saddles more. After riding bareback for so long the horn just gets in the way for me. I need a cutback for Hunny because of her withers. I don't want to get her fit for a saddle right now because after she had her foal her topline went to hell. We are currently working on that, but it is going to take a few months so saddle fitting is going to have to wait for now. She does have an A frame I do believe, but she has a bigger barrel. I know nothing about saddle fitting, I leave it to the experts :) I'm also pretty anal about how my stuff looks, and refuse to buy a saddle unless it meets my expectations and qualifications. The people at the stable always give me crap because I keep all my tack covered, it's cleaned and oiled monthly, and organized by weight and amount of usage. It all has to match as well. I prefer darker oils, the havana colors mostly. Black is out of the question. Not happening. I like the lighter oils a little, but not so much. If a saddle is perfect for both Hunny and I, and fits us both like a glove, and is a color I hate, oh well. If it fits and is in price range, it works lol Thank you for your help :)
     

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