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post #11 of 27 Old 11-18-2012, 09:41 AM
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I think she looks like she's quite smooth to ride! You are so lucky.

Did you know she had an intermediate gait when you got her or was this a nice surprise? She's so pretty and with her soft gait she is quite the package if you ask me!
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post #12 of 27 Old 11-18-2012, 09:48 AM
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If that's an Indian Shuffle, then all the stiffer, older QHs at the school I went to do that as well from what I've seen.
I'm probably just blind with gaits (aside from wtc and a rack), but all I see is a stiff, short-strided trot..without the stiffness from that particular horse, lol.
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I think she looks like she's quite smooth to ride! You are so lucky.

Did you know she had an intermediate gait when you got her or was this a nice surprise? She's so pretty and with her soft gait she is quite the package if you ask me!

The horse in the video is not mine, but she seems to move like him. And at the walk I have seen her move both legs at the same side same time..insinc.. one just touching the ground before the other...she switches it up.
This is her
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The lady I got her from said she was injured 5 years ago, slipped on ice when in training and she did cyro, massages ect with no luck...
But if this is what she is doing ( the Indian shuffle ) then she wouldn't be injured, it's her gait..and that's why cyro didn't work.. the lady was thinking she's injured. The lady didn't see her slip and doesn't know about the gait.
I can't find any pain areas on her... other than the farrier trimming way to short, so she is tender footed right now, other wise I would make her work and get video. My vet is an appy lover, so eventually I can send it to him and see what he thinks...If its and injury or her actual gait...

This is why I'm digging for more info...
She also has a cresty neck, but isn't obese and I noticed the shows of gaited horses have cresty necks as well. But they aren't fat either...

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Some injuries can cause a trotting horse to become "disassociated" and develop a "gait." It's not what I'd call a true "soft, intermediate gait" because it's the result of injury and probably indicates an unsoundness. It's likely that this is the reason that many in the trotting world consider "soft gaited horses" to be lame.

Among Appy enthusiasts I've found multiple instances of an enormous antipathy to the "Indian Shuffle." I knew a "name" in the Appy world in Texas who swore to me that Appys never were "gaited" and that claims to the contrary were myth and legend. She was not the only person who holds/held this view. The historical record shows her to be quite wrong, but she wanted none of it.

After the surrender of Chief Joseph the Army rounded up the Appy stallions from the tribe and put them down. They replaced them with draft and draft-cross stallions to better serve the tribe as they transitioned from mounted warriors to farmers. A few survived in isolated locations. When the Appy association was formed in the 1930s to try and resurrect the breed they rejected for registration any horse that performed the "Indian Shuffle."

I don't doubt that some Appys are gaited, but they appear to be few and far between. I don't know what the formal position of the Appy association is today on the Indian Shuffle.

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post #15 of 27 Old 11-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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This is how she trots
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But walks different.

That's a foxtrot, also know as marcha batida as Guilherme says. There are multiple names for many gaits.
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That's a foxtrot, also know as marcha batida as Guilherme says. There are multiple names for many gaits.
So is it possible for her to be doing a fox trot being an Appy.
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Aren't gaits fun? I had a real nice "QH"-she had Hancock blood lines & she did a "singlefoot" when ridden w/gaited horses-smooth & fast-I loved it.
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So is it possible for her to be doing a fox trot being an Appy.
Yes.

One of the roots of the QH extends deep into South Texas. When Capt. King imported his quarter running stallions he stood them to the best of the dominant mare population south of the Nueces, which were mares of Spanish descent with a fair amount of Barb blood. These horses often produced offspring with a "fourth gear." This was not encouraged by the Anglo breeders and these horses were "selected out" of the breeding population. But the trait was not totally eliminated and it sometimes manifests itself today. The QH breeders still don't like it and if it occurs the horse will be removed from the brood band.

This actually continues today in the Andalusian and Lusitano breeds. They don't much care if it happens. It is not encouraged but if the horse is of otherwise good quality it can be bred.

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A bit like a fox trot or troche?
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Yes.

One of the roots of the QH extends deep into South Texas. When Capt. King imported his quarter running stallions he stood them to the best of the dominant mare population south of the Nueces, which were mares of Spanish descent with a fair amount of Barb blood. These horses often produced offspring with a "fourth gear." This was not encouraged by the Anglo breeders and these horses were "selected out" of the breeding population. But the trait was not totally eliminated and it sometimes manifests itself today. The QH breeders still don't like it and if it occurs the horse will be removed from the brood band.

This actually continues today in the Andalusian and Lusitano breeds. They don't much care if it happens. It is not encouraged but if the horse is of otherwise good quality it can be bred.

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Thank you for the info. I don't mind hat she does it. Its seems very interesting. Im trying to find bloodlines in the Appy and QH to see if in fact she may carry the gene. Today I noticed that at a very slow walk she seems to walk regular. At a faster walk the legs on the same side move the same. The back foot land just before the front. Which seemed to be completly different from what I remember of her troting faster.
This is so confusing...
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