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post #11 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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Yes, Paso Finos are gaited. I don't know where you got the idea that they aren't.

By your definition, TWH's are not gaited since the running walk is just a very fast/extended walk.

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No sir their footfall pattern is a walk. A really fast walk, but 4-beat walk nonetheless.

A gaited horse possesses a gait other than a traditional walk, trot, and canter
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post #12 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 01:17 PM
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Yes, Paso Finos are gaited. I don't know where you got the idea that they aren't.

By your definition, TWH's are not gaited since the running walk is just a very fast/extended walk.
It's not just "my definition". First, a running walk is a broken gait, not a walk. The footfall pattern is different. Also, the pattern of a paso fino is a walk. You can probably YouTube it and find videos of them on their boards they use to test them. Listen to the even beat. Their higher head carriage and animated style makes them look gaited, so most people assume they are. They LOOK gaited.

I worked as a farrier and rode some at one of the most prestigious and winningest Paso Fino farms in the United States for a good while. When I started I was about 23 years old probly and hadn't been around them much. The first day I made the mistake of referring to them as gaited. All eyes turned to me and they quickly corrected me. "These are NOT gaited horses" they told me. Then we had a lesson of watching them ride across the board-covered trench and listening to the beat. They were right. People usually think they're gaited based on the fact that they're smooth
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With some gaited horses, the tree will inhibit a good flat walk and running walk. I have also seen treeless cause this. The owner thinks the horse is motoring right along which it is, but the head is high and the back hollow which results in the pace, no different from a standardbred. A saddle can be built with a narrow twist and bars with a flatter angle to suit the wide horses. Unforunately, you can't find them in western.
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I'm new to gaited so I can't debate whether a Paso is gaited or not, but my OTSTB trotter can rack/singlefoot super smooth. Not sure if that makes him truly gaited, but as his trot is kidney killing rough, I'll keep that rack!

I have noticed my normal jumper saddle didn't allow him to gait, while my Aussie stock saddle let's him rack with no problems.
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It's not just "my definition". First, a running walk is a broken gait, not a walk. The footfall pattern is different.
I'm not sure what you mean by a broken gait, but a running walk is basically a fast walk. The paso illano of the Peruvian horse is the same, just done with a different style. I don't think that means either breed is not gaited though, since not just any horse can be trained to move that way.

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Also, the pattern of a paso fino is a walk.
The foot FALL pattern is the same as a walk but the foot LIFT pattern is not. Their gait has even set-down but lateral pick-up. The same gait is performed by several other gaited breeds and goes by various names. It is not the same as a walk because of the pick-up timing.

I really suggest reading Easy Gaited Horses by Lee Ziegler. It explains all the technical differences between gaits.
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post #16 of 27 Old 04-15-2013, 09:34 AM
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By broken gait I mean not an evenly spaced four beat gait like a Paso Fino has.

Ponyboy, with all due respect, you're going on what you've read in a book. A book written by a woman who knows a little bit about many different gaited breeds, but not a lot about any specific ones.

I'm getting my information from one of the oldest Paso Fino breeding, training and showing operations in the states. Don't take my word for it. Go to a Paso Fino show and ask them about their gaited horses

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Pony Boy is quite right on this. The running walk and the flat walk are four beat, isochronal gaits with pick up and set down being equal. Footfall pattern does not change.

Not being familiar with the details of the Paso Fino I'm not going to comment.

Most folks, when they say "gaited", mean "intermediate gait other than a trot." In this sense the Paso Fino is a "gaited horse."

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By broken gait I mean not an evenly spaced four beat gait like a Paso Fino has.

Ponyboy, with all due respect, you're going on what you've read in a book. A book written by a woman who knows a little bit about many different gaited breeds, but not a lot about any specific ones.

I'm getting my information from one of the oldest Paso Fino breeding, training and showing operations in the states. Don't take my word for it. Go to a Paso Fino show and ask them about their gaited horses
I have watched several Paso Fino shows, thanks. My guess is the breeders just don't want to use the word "gaited" because it might cause them to be associated with things they don't want to be associated with. (Similar to how Fjord and Icelandic breeders don't want their horses called "ponies"). That doesn't change the fact however that the Paso Fino's intermediate gait is identical to the intermediate gait of several other gaited breeds. In English terms it is a saddle rack at the slower speeds (fino, corto) and a true rack at the faster speed (largo).

The only non "evenly spaced" easy gait is the foxtrot.
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Relative to saddle fit. The video and accompanying info leaves out several very important points. One, no horse is truly symmetrical. Two, no horse's back does not change shape while it is moving. With that in mind how can a rigid tree saddle properly fit any horse, IT CAN NOT. A properly fit saddle must allow for the unsymmetrical back and changing shapes of the horse's back as it moves. The only saddle capable of doing this is the flex panel saddles. Here's a good explanation: HILL VIEW FARMS

As to the signature gaits of the Paso, the Peruvian Paso, and the Racking horse. The rack, the corto, the largo, the fino, the paso llano, are all the same gait. Exactly the same foot fall. Any one that tells you differently has not viewed videos of these gaits and studied the foot fall. The signature gait of the TWH is the running walk(although some TWH prefer the rack). The running walk is at the exact opposite end of the "pacing spectrum", ie, in the running walk the rear foot leaves the ground before the front foot on the same side, and is also a 4 beat gait, but with differing foot fall from the rack.

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How does a rigid tree system work on the ever changing landscape of a horse's back? The padding system is the answer. It provides the interface between the rigid tree and the back.

Consider, too, that no rigid tree is truly "rigid." All have "give" in them (including 50 lb. Steer roping saddles).

That is not to say that "flexible panel" systems can't work. Only that they are an alternate answer, not THE alternate answer.

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