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post #21 of 83 Old 08-20-2009, 11:00 PM
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You titled this thread "Little lesson on walking horse bits." Not "Little lesson on how any bit can be harsh." Make up your mind.
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Yes, how TWH bits are just as harsh as most bits.

Why are you so fixed on argueing? You know what I mean so quite acting so argumentitive and childish.

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Well I can agree with one thing: Your posts do speak for themselves.
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post #24 of 83 Old 08-24-2009, 07:57 PM
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My sister rides her gaited horses bitless and they do fantastic.
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post #25 of 83 Old 08-24-2009, 08:12 PM
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I have 2 Imus bits and though they are great, the quality just isn't there. Both are unusable after 3-4 years of use. The center joint is coming apart.
It is agreed that the riders hands can make a bit harsh. Although the thin wire twisted or not will cut into the bars with little to no pressure no matter what your hands are like. My point is it can go either way, harsh bit and or harsh hands. There is no black and white only shades of grey.


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I have 2 Imus bits and though they are great, the quality just isn't there. Both are unusable after 3-4 years of use. The center joint is coming apart.
It is agreed that the riders hands can make a bit harsh. Although the thin wire twisted or not will cut into the bars with little to no pressure no matter what your hands are like. My point is it can go either way, harsh bit and or harsh hands. There is no black and white only shades of grey.
Agreed 100%.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is now, so I'll just say my blurb:

It's all in the riders hands. I have seen horses be furious in a simple double jointed snaffle, and I have seen horses furious in the most rediculous bit you can imagine.
A rider with soft hands should ideally be able to ride in anything and not have a problem.
My old TB mare worked wonderfully in a loose ring single joint snaffle. I was at a show once and decided to post enter a western pleasure class. The only western bit sitting in my trainer's trailer was a spade. I popped it in and won the class :)

That day: (I'm in Canada, red=1st)


A picture of us when we won Jr High Point a few years later, same bit):


Anyways, no matter the bit, it can become severe in the wrong hands.

The reason I don't like many people using TWH bits is for that reason; I see too many heavy-handed TWH riders to be comfortable saying to anyone "yeah, this bit totally isn't evil" because I don't know what their hands are like.
Bottom line though, TWH bits definitely ARE more severe than most available on the market, excluding, I'd say, barrel racing bits. They have long shanks and long purchases to them.

There is less room for error with a TWH bit.


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^ Still. Very similar to [most]. High port, long shanks, etc. The only big difference is the swivel shanks and completely straight shanks until it 'swoops' out at the muzzel. Sure, maybe a tad bit harsher, but still can be softish in the correct hands.

Sure, most people use them wrong, and that is why it has caused people to think the BIT is bad. Like I said: It's the person not all entirely the bit.

They aren't anyway shape or form equivilant to this:

badddd.jpg

No, nowhere near the barrel bit.

EDIT: Just saw you were excluding the barrel bit. Gotcha ;)

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Barrel bits make me cringe for the most part.

Then again, TWH bits make me cringe too. Same with twisted wire bits and ... well most anything other than your run-of-the-mill snaffle.

My point is that a TWH bit (the ones you see in shows, the ones with 7"+ shanks) are much harsher than any average bit you can pick up at your average store. I would much rather some average Joe pick up a curb with less purchase and shorter shanks.


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I just don't see why people think they need such long shanks, and how they can't realize that something is very wrong when they do need it..
I'm not against curbs or different types of bits, but the effect you might want from a curb is clear enough with short shanks. If that's not enough, what's needed isn't longer shanks, but more training. A horse doesn't need force and pain to obey, it just needs clear communication and proper, consistent training. That is, unless you ask it to do something that's so stressful and painful that you need to hurt it more for not doing it, than it hurts to do it (or you need to inflict pain to get it stressed enough to do as it ''should'' (= done in gaiting, not only TWH but other gaited breeds too unfortunatly.). Or if you rather achieve your goals by inflicting unecessary pain than actually train your horse...

And that goes for all long shanked bits, not just gaited ones...


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Zab, I really don't understand the need for these bits for showing, I agree with you. Sunny, could you enlighten us as to why you need these bits?
In contrast, you might say that dressage riders don't really need a weymouth bit (the curb bit) and you'd be mostly right. I used to be able to school some GP movements in a halter, but in a test sometimes you need that little bitty milisecond of "listen up" from wiggling your curb rein. Mind, when I'm in a double bridle I usually keep very light contact with the curb rein, I don't use it much at all. I also ride with my curb rein under my pinkie so it can lie disengaged most of the time.
In TWH shows, you are riding with contact on a long shanked bit when you aren't asking for any fancy movements, so why do you need it?
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