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        02-14-2011, 09:56 PM
      #11
    Banned
    Yeah the first video there is no markings?!?! Weird. But the second video and pictures there are markings...
         
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        02-14-2011, 09:57 PM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
    With pacing? Back problems from carrying herself in a very hollow position and possibly leg problems. You'd be looking at a lot of chiropractic bills and joint supplements/injections.
    I think she means from the showing : )

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    Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
    yeah I am aware of the pacing..What kind of problems could she have ?
    I would be most concerned with her legs... specifically her hocks and knees, but also her pasterns and hooves. I'd also be concerned about her back.

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    Originally Posted by equiniphile    
    Anyone else realize that the horse in the show has no leg markings, while the horse on trail has a stocking?
    Wow, you're right. I didn't even notice that. And the blaze looks so similar...
         
        02-14-2011, 10:10 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Some people cover up a lone stocking as it can create the illusion of the horse being off or lame.

    I'd definitely ask about that, though...
         
        02-15-2011, 09:31 AM
      #14
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
    yeah I am aware of the pacing..What kind of problems could she have ?
    The first set of problems comes from the breeding shed. Horses from World Grand Championship lines are bred to pace, not walk. So if you want a "natural walking horse" the last place you want to go is blood that is heavy with Big Lick ribbon winners. Remember that breeding counts in horses.

    The next set comes from putting a horse into Big Lick training so that they can compete as two year olds. This means in most cases they've been in "colt packages" since the age of about 12 months, go under saddle at 18 months in adult packages, and are only worked under saddle (very little basic ground work). The last part of a horse to mature is the back. This training regime will badly stress the back.

    But not just the back. I've seen a lot of ex-Big Lick horses that have problems in the stiffles, hips, shoulders, hocks, and pasterns. Look at a Big Lick horse standing square (not in the exagerated "conformation" photos so often seen which are, by nature, a fine way of concealing conformational defects) and imagine the "force lines" which will be generated by movement.

    The more lateral the gait the more hollow the back. A Big Lick horse is bred to pace and that pacing is "squared up" by the package. At least according to Big Lick theory. In reality they do not then become a "square moving" horse. The back of the Big Lick horse will remain ventroflexed. The real purpose of the package is to increase front end action (erroniously called "animation" in most Big Lick literature). This will substantially increase the force levels mentioned above.

    Frankly these horses are a classic example of the "pig in a poke." Every now and then one comes through the training without injury, but the vast majority will have physical consequences from the mileau of Big Lick breeding/training. This means the buyer must have a lot more than just a good PPE. They have to have a clear view of what they want from a horse and what the horse in front of them offers.

    Do not buy one of these horses because you want to rescue it. Not unless you have deep pockets (for the vet bills) and enjoy disapointment from continous lameness issues.

    Get Dr. Deb Bennett's series of books on conformation analysis (there's three of them for about $13/ea. At Amazon). Learn the basics of good equine conformation, and movement, and apply them to the horse you're looking at.

    There's an old saying that goes Prior Planning Prevents P**s Poor Performance." Some folks call it the Six P Principle. The planning, here, is first the education of the human. Learn and pactice applying the principles of conformational analysis. This will naturally lead into the ability to analyze gait and movement. You'll also learn to read temperment. Then find out the needs of the discipline(s) in which you are interested. Then go find a properly conformed and moving horse with a temperment that fits those activities. This is not a "weekend project." It will take some time. But the payoff is a sound, sane horse that will work for you for years to come.

    G.
         
        02-15-2011, 04:02 PM
      #15
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vivache    
    Some people cover up a lone stocking as it can create the illusion of the horse being off or lame.

    I'd definitely ask about that, though...
    That's what I was thinking, I hope that's the case.
         
        02-15-2011, 04:41 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Now I noticed she is not walking in the bottom video, it looks like she is pacing. This is why I do not like padded horses, a lot of them are not naturally gaited. But that is just what I can tell from the last video. If you want a real running walk, I don't think this is the girl for you.
         
        02-15-2011, 08:20 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Yes the lone stocking was a cover up job..All her show pics have it covered...Well im going to see her this week end..I don't care about anything except wanting a good horse to have fun with..Every horse I've seen for sale in my part of texas paces ..I can't find a one that dosnt that's under 10 years old.There a quite a few show barns out here and I think they are all coming from them.walkerswest.com is 45 min from me.Thats who is helping me with buying a horse.I grew up in Memphis in show barns so walkers and my mom was a trainer/exhibitor back in the 70s and 80s ( havnt been in that game in many many years ).Most people out here seem to just breed quarter horses and paints so when you get into the walkers they areal bred for show it seems.....Maybe I should travel out a little to get a good walker in my price range.Now I just don't know
         
        02-15-2011, 11:36 PM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
    Yes the lone stocking was a cover up job..All her show pics have it covered...Well im going to see her this week end..I don't care about anything except wanting a good horse to have fun with..Every horse I've seen for sale in my part of texas paces ..I can't find a one that dosnt that's under 10 years old.There a quite a few show barns out here and I think they are all coming from them.walkerswest.com is 45 min from me.Thats who is helping me with buying a horse.I grew up in Memphis in show barns so walkers and my mom was a trainer/exhibitor back in the 70s and 80s ( havnt been in that game in many many years ).Most people out here seem to just breed quarter horses and paints so when you get into the walkers they areal bred for show it seems.....Maybe I should travel out a little to get a good walker in my price range.Now I just don't know
    Why don't you tell us what area you're looking in and what your price range is and maybe we can help?
         
        02-16-2011, 02:18 AM
      #19
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
    Why don't you tell us what area you're looking in and what your price range is and maybe we can help?

    I'm in north Texas. Dallas area and I would like to keep it at $2500 or less
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        02-16-2011, 02:20 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Oh and fairly you g like 10 or under and 15 h and over
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