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post #11 of 47 Old 08-04-2013, 01:13 PM
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big lick sucks. Don't care how you achieve it, and if you buy a ticket to watch it, you're supporting it and part of the problem far as I'm concerned.
You're opinion is always welcome and I agree soring sucks....this coming from a guy who's never nailed a shoe on his TWH......and keeps her barefooted. IMO, it's an unnatural act to drive a nail in a horses hoof but lots of people do it. Needless to say, stacks, chains etc.....

I guess I'm more of a mole, except I have not registered my mare with them, don't participate in shows, and have no financial interest other than the well being of the horses who do participate.

Some one has to see it to report on it.....
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I trust I do NOT have to explain myself or rationalize before I say this.....

I went to the trainers' show this year. The flat shod horses are boring. It is nearly impossible to tell the difference in the gaits. Without all the flash, you just have to pick the rider with the prettiest outfit.

I don't see the show surviving without the big lick horses, and nobody pays $30,000 for a trail horse, nor keeps their trail horses with trainers....heck MY experience with TWH has been that they don't even get trained, they just GO.

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I trust I do NOT have to explain myself or rationalize before I say this.....

I went to the trainers' show this year. The flat shod horses are boring. It is nearly impossible to tell the difference in the gaits. Without all the flash, you just have to pick the rider with the prettiest outfit.

I don't see the show surviving without the big lick horses, and nobody pays $30,000 for a trail horse, nor keeps their trail horses with trainers....heck MY experience with TWH has been that they don't even get trained, they just GO.

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You have rediscovered what the industry learned in the late '40s. Front end action puts bums in seats and generates the Big Bucks.

If you can't see any difference between the flat walk and the running walk it's because the horse is poorly trained, poorly ridden, or both. At the last Walker show I attended I timed the two gaits (using two pillars and a stop watch). Not one, single horse showed more that a second between the gaits (meaning they were doing the same gait for flat and running).

In general I find rail shows about as interesting as watching paint dry (or maybe the Superbowl or Final Four). I much prefer to see the horse and rider doing something. That something being measured by a stop watch or a yard stick. Maybe that's just me, but maybe it isn't.

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I am actually subbing because I want to learn.

I am part of a fair few horse related boards on FB in Germany. The whole TWH rears its ugly head every few months, but generally a lot of misinformed information comes out and a lot of old footage.

It horrifies me, the things I have looked at. I have seen a video which I managed to stomach through, but it made me fume. These poor horses.

But, as with everything there is the good the bad and the ugly. Not all TWH owners sore their horses or smack their faces for a high head carriage.

If someone can 'simple term' this as an outsider for me, I'd really like to learn. I am aware of the soring, the cutting the feet painfully short and tying them up. But I am a firm believer in people should fight for something they understand, not get a PETA quote or old pictures, wave it around and cause an uproar.


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post #15 of 47 Old 08-06-2013, 10:31 AM
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If the horse can look like this flat shod, what more do you need?

To me, this is far more attractive then the pain can shoes that they wear in the Big Lick classes. The horses look much more comfortable here then in the other classes.
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You're opinion is always welcome and I agree soring sucks....this coming from a guy who's never nailed a shoe on his TWH......and keeps her barefooted. IMO, it's an unnatural act to drive a nail in a horses hoof but lots of people do it. Needless to say, stacks, chains etc.....

I guess I'm more of a mole, except I have not registered my mare with them, don't participate in shows, and have no financial interest other than the well being of the horses who do participate.

Some one has to see it to report on it.....
You wouldn't have gone far if you had tried riding with me in Colorado without shoes. This was not a "natural" habitat for horses and wouldn't have lasted there in the wild, most likely. It was shoes or go to flatter, less beautiful terrain......





So, it all depends on the horse's needs. OOOPS, back to topic.....Stacks wouldn't work here, either. And, the soring would come naturally if they tried to walk those ring puffs on this terrain.
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Inga, I don't understand the definition of "flat shod" if those horses are examples. There is nothing flat of natural about how those horses are shod. Long hooves to the extreme. Maybe no "stacks" but definitely not normal horse hoof shaping. Better? Yes. Normal and kind? Not yet. Keep going.......

To me, flat shod would be normal weight flat shoes with a normal trim, not letting the hoof grow into a "natural stack".

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I trust I do NOT have to explain myself or rationalize before I say this.....

I went to the trainers' show this year. The flat shod horses are boring. It is nearly impossible to tell the difference in the gaits. Without all the flash, you just have to pick the rider with the prettiest outfit.

I don't see the show surviving without the big lick horses, and nobody pays $30,000 for a trail horse, nor keeps their trail horses with trainers....heck MY experience with TWH has been that they don't even get trained, they just GO.

Nancy
Can't be any more boring than a QH western pleasure class. Or halter. Just because YOU can't tell the difference without the ABUSE, doesn't mean everyone has that problem. I don't CARE if it doesn't survive without the ABUSE. Maybe now people will start breeding for correct gait again.
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Plantation shoes are pretty heavy looking too.

The racking horses may or may not be TWH. Lots of them are standardbreds. My standardbred mare racked barefoot. It was kind of her intermediate go gait. She could go nearly as fast racking as she did pacing. She was race trained a free legged pacer but washed out young. She also did the running walk. When she finally realized that I didn't want her to go, go, go constantly it became her preferred travel gait.
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While the Performance Horse side of the Walking Horses is down on it's knees, there's probably still plenty of money left inside that 1% of Owners that will go for the glory and chest pounding, until the somebody can get the judges to stop playing politics.

Instead of staying away from the Celebration, I think everyone contributing to this thread, should show up on Friday and Saturday night, together, wearing that "Stop the Dirty Lick" t-shirt. Back your mouths with your butts.

In the meantime, Google Dr. Bob Womack's "History of the Tennessee Walking Horse" It is good arm chair reading and speaks to how this package thing came into being.

Also, I am very fortunate to have some Walking Horse video taken in the 40's - 50's --- way before Super 8, for those old enough to know what Super 8 was.

They were bought in a tack store and there may be some re-makes around for anyone interested in viewing some of the old greats and learing the real difference between a dog walk and running walk.

As for "getting back to breeding for proper gait". For the record, there ARE (or were) four breeders I know that recently bred or are still in the business of breeding Plantation style/Pleasure Walking horses.

I think the lady that bred my 18 yr old has since retired but those of you that are convinced there 's nothing but that lousy pacey show blood out there, Google Heritage Walkers and see what you come up with.

For the record, two of my TWH's didn't "make" as Performance horses. One does do an eloquently smooth stepping pace, the other a running walk all of you would die for. They are fearless and willing trail horses.

Don't get me wrong, I am against the Performance classes as much as the next person. I just get sick and tired of all the whining from behind the keyboard, yet I don't see anyone forming a grass roots opposition to stop it. If there is one out there, please provide the link so all these enthusiastic folks can actually get involved
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