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post #41 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 08:22 AM
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I have 2 former BL horses in my barn right now....a 5 yo, and a 15 yo. I see no damage , physically or mentally. They are both ridden barefoot now. Neither of them have any mental problem with farriers, or having shoes nailed on.

The racking horse show in the video is not the same as a TWH show with flat shod classes. The flat shod classes I saw WERE western pleasure... and I don't watch AQHA, APHA, AHA WP either, unless I know someone showing. But they probably think dressage is boring, and I am not critical of that, to each his own.

I would love to watch the Versatility show! That looks like fun to watch.

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post #42 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SueNH View Post

Rocks aren't rocks. I can run barefoot across some nice smooth shale or blacktop road. I'd ouch and pick my way across a dirt road done in crushed granite. I can pick my way over nice rounded river rock or gravel with no pain as long as I watch my footing. Newly broken up rock of any sort is sharp. I can run across more things barefoot by the end of summer than in the spring when my shoes first come off.

In an ideal world our horses would have to cross an acre or two of scree to get to their barn, food, water. They would toughen up eventually and cross most anything. However we tend to keep them in nice flatish pens or in pastures of soft grass. We work them in arenas with nice soft dirt or sand. We bed them down in nice soft sawdust or hay, often with rubber mats underneath. Best most of us do is some gravely areas around barns and walkways but that was generally put there for drainage and isn't nearly enough.
What I meant was a lot of the places we ride are quite rocky.

I think gravel roads are the most difficult terrain for Miss Lacy, and that's where the boots on the front hoofs really make a difference.

Jack, DW's black quarter horse has black hooves and are hard as a rock. He's never had shoes and doesn't need them.

Sunny, DW's Zippo bread Palomino has soft white hooves and is somewhat tenderfooted even in shoes. We've had his shoes off for about a year now and bought him a pair of boots, but he's getting shoe's before he goes with us to the Smoky's.

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post #43 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 12:35 PM
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Its my thinking that even if the stacked shoes don't cause long term damage it really can't be comfortable for a horse to run in circles with all that lot on its feet
I would like to see a section in the competition where the riders have to run alongside them wearing either stiletto heels or high platform shoes
Its my understanding that these horses cant be turned out in paddock or have any natural exercise while they have these shoes on - that can't be good for them either
Horses will tolerate all sorts of stuff but that doesn't make it right
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I know several women who can no longer walk in flat shoes. We got into the discussion because I asked them how they could teach all day in 3 inch heels. Some of the muscles in their legs/feet have atrophied to the point where they will no longer stretch out for the heel to go flat (among other problems). Walking in heels is bad because it changes the way humans are designed to walk.

Big Lick horses wear the stacks 24/7 and it amazes me that people don't think anything bad can happen from drastically changing a way a horse moves. It's too bad they don't do studies on the big lick they way they do on women wearing high heels. The whole thing is so weird, they've taken a breed designed for comfort for long hours and changed it to something that's worn out after a few minutes.

We have hard, rocky trails in So. California. If you've ever watched the original Star Trek, much of it was filmed at Vasquez Rocks, about 30 minutes from where I ride. Very few people ride barefoot, it's either shoes or boots. I'm lucky that my Iceland is a true barefoot horse, he has feet like diamonds. Nothing bothers him, we even have to cross railroad tracks and his feet aren't chipped at the end of a trial ride. But he is the exception out here.
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post #45 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 02:17 PM
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Here I am again with my crazy ideas that will probably be laughed at by everyone ;) But I figure if anyone with an open mind is reading this it would be interesting to see!
Rather than use soring, pads and abuse to train these horses to have flashy gaits, why not clicker train them? I've seen clicker trained horses compete in all walks of the horse world, from hunters to eventers to dressage and reining and WP, why not CT the horse to have flashy gaits?

This is a video of Georgia Bruce, using CT she's done some impressive dressage and reining - her horses are beautiful and well trained, responsive and eager to do the job. If she can CT a horse to Piaffe and Passage and sliding stop and spin, why couldn't someone train a horse to gait so unnaturally exaggerated?

This would certainly take more work and better trainers, but isn't that what a competition should be about? Rather than just who can cut the most corners?

I would love just one person to CT their flat or unshod, normally trimmed TWH to gait that flashy just to show the world abuse isn't needed.
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post #46 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 03:47 PM
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I thought this video that slows done the action to show exactly how the legs are moving is really interesting.
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post #47 of 47 Old 08-09-2013, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jaydee View Post

I thought this video that slows done the action to show exactly how the legs are moving is really interesting.
Great video! Thanks for sharing this.
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