more soring in the news - Page 6
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics > Horse Breeds > Gaited Horses

more soring in the news

This is a discussion on more soring in the news within the Gaited Horses forums, part of the Horse Breeds category
  • "Horses don't feel pain." - Bob Cherry, TWHBEA Board of Directors
  • Soring horses

Like Tree42Likes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    05-27-2012, 12:07 AM
  #51
Weanling
There are alot of people that look at animals especially horses as a way to make some cash. They don't once stop and think about the animals involved.
As long as they make their money or win their ribbions they are happy they don't even care that it affects the health & mental state of the animal.
There is no excuse for it at all peroid & Instead of blaming only one person they need to look at the person who is requiring the horses to preform like this & the person that thinks its so beautiful because there is nothing Beautiful about it.
They need to only allow Natural Gaited TWH shows. No Chains No chemicals Nothing. The horse should be Bred to preform & not Forced. I think that the Natural Gaits of a TWH is pretty But the Horses That they have made preform & lift their feet at unnatural heights just look Plain Stupid & its the ugliest Gait I have ever seen In my life. I went to a Show last summer & they had a TWH show & I got really pissed & wanted to go off on this one guy you could totally tell he had done this to his horse & when they were Giving out the awards he pulled the bit so hard the horses mouth was pouring the blood he had the horses head jerked high & into his neck. There was only 2 horses in this show the other horse had been properly trained & had a nice natural gait like this

The horse had a good amout of loose rein. & I bet you already know Which horse Won. The one that looked like this
With His mouth Pouring the blood.

I thought this site was interesting
What Is Soring? - Silver Phoenix Ranch
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    05-27-2012, 12:12 AM
  #52
Weanling
This is the Worst Comment I have EVER read...

Bob Cherry of the TWHBEA Board of Directors once was quoted to have said “Horses don’t feel pain.”
     
    05-27-2012, 07:40 AM
  #53
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by SplashedOvero    
This is the Worst Comment I have EVER read...

Bob Cherry of the TWHBEA Board of Directors once was quoted to have said “Horses don’t feel pain.”
YIKES! And he is on the board. Shame on these people.

I think part of the issue is that it has gone on SO long it has become a culture of sorts, ans therefore will be even more difficult to change. Which doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done, but obviously there are folks who like to see this-the stands are full of people cheering in the videos of the "celebration". Makes me ill, and sort of brings to mind the barbaric days of the Coliseum on Rome and the fights, sacrificing, etc that people went to see there. I will never understand.
     
    05-27-2012, 08:12 AM
  #54
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
YIKES! And he is on the board. Shame on these people.

I think part of the issue is that it has gone on SO long it has become a culture of sorts, ans therefore will be even more difficult to change. Which doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done, but obviously there are folks who like to see this-the stands are full of people cheering in the videos of the "celebration". Makes me ill, and sort of brings to mind the barbaric days of the Coliseum on Rome and the fights, sacrificing, etc that people went to see there. I will never understand.
That's what I have been saying. It is a way of life. It is all these people know to do. To them it's no big deal. Kind of like sticking a hook through the guts Of another live fish to catch a bigger fish with it. To me. That's no big deal big do it every Sunday. And I do it for sport . 20 years from now there might be a thread like this going on for minnows. Cause to these people that's all these horses are. I know a few trainers that when the horse is all used up a trash bag is applied to their heads and the leave for the night. When they wake up in the morning they get to call this ins company to collect their money because their horse @ suddenly" died last night. Now this was back in the 80 s and maybe now they have caught in to this. But who knows.
Posted via Mobile Device
Malda likes this.
     
    05-27-2012, 09:58 AM
  #55
Started
Roy Exum: And Now,

I think I like Roy Exum.
     
    05-27-2012, 11:21 AM
  #56
Showing
If you want to move mountains it takes huge numbers of people. McConnell will continue to train/abuse. It's what he does best and wealthy people are willing to pay to enjoy the status of owning the winner. Put pen in hand and write to your congressman, senator. Get everyone you know to do this. Keep is very brief - simply state that you want the practise of Big Lick classes banned at horseshows. Politicians ant your vote and will respond if enough pressure is put on them. Be sure to sign your name or it will be disregarded. I was involved in doing something similar, a mass mail-in and we blocked being incorporated into a municipality which would have meant triple the taxes yet no services.
     
    05-27-2012, 02:31 PM
  #57
Foal
I watched the video around a week ago. It made me sick to see the horses being beaten while laying down (or standing up, doesn't matter), and making pained noises as it's being hit. I can't believe people can be so cruel to animals!
     
    05-27-2012, 03:55 PM
  #58
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
That's what I have been saying. It is a way of life. It is all these people know to do. To them it's no big deal. Kind of like sticking a hook through the guts Of another live fish to catch a bigger fish with it. To me. That's no big deal big do it every Sunday. And I do it for sport . 20 years from now there might be a thread like this going on for minnows. Cause to these people that's all these horses are. I know a few trainers that when the horse is all used up a trash bag is applied to their heads and the leave for the night. When they wake up in the morning they get to call this ins company to collect their money because their horse @ suddenly" died last night. Now this was back in the 80 s and maybe now they have caught in to this. But who knows.
Posted via Mobile Device
Sorry, but there is a HUGE difference between this abuse of horses and using minnows for bait. That is a ridiculous analogy, IMO.
     
    05-27-2012, 05:01 PM
  #59
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Sorry, but there is a HUGE difference between this abuse of horses and using minnows for bait. That is a ridiculous analogy, IMO.
I realize that. Was using it because to me this is how they feel about horses. Just bait to real in the cash.
     
    05-30-2012, 09:37 AM
  #60
Green Broke
More from Roy on Monday:

Roy Exum: Dane
Roy Exum: Dane’s Walking Horse Hearing

Monday, May 28, 2012 - by Roy Exum

Roy Exum

Keith Dane, the director of equine services for the nation’s Humane Society, said he has been told by a top official of the Tennessee Walking Horse Celebration there has been a formal complaint filed against him and that he should be present for a “hearing” next month to answer charges that demand he be expelled from the board of the group’s Breeders and Exhibitors Association. The hearing to “shoot the messenger” is scheduled June 28 in Lewisburg, Tn.
Dane, who attended a large horse show in Shelbyville with USDA veterinarians and inspectors this weekend, did not comment on the specific charges but noted that one horse, confiscated earlier this year from a barn run by trainer Jackie McConnell, won its class despite having eight previous violations of the Horse Protection Act found against the animal.
“If that doesn’t show problems persist then I don’t know what does.” Dane, of course, is being played as the scapegoat for a ****ing undercover video by the Humane Society of the United States that appeared 10 days ago on ABC’s “Nightline” news program and has since made its way to every major network, all of America’s leading newspapers and an exploding Internet network that has covered the world. The video, appearing on May 18, clearly shows several beautiful horses being beaten, shocked and tortured by the veteran trainer McConnell. To the horror of thousands who adore the animals, one horse actually cries out in the video and the graphic images are appalling to those who know absolutely nothing about the gentle, loving breed.
McConnell, whose name is said to be carved in marble as a Hall of Fame winner outside the Celebration’s headquarters in Shelbyville, has since pleaded guilty to a felony of the Horse Protection Act in a Chattanooga Federal Court and has been “barred for life” by the embattled organization. He will be sentenced on Sept. 10 in Chattanooga.
Now, in a totally mystifying move by the walking horse industry’s largest governing body, its very leaders now want the federal animal welfare official ousted from their midst as well. “I plan to be at the hearing and defend my belief that what is happening isn’t right,” he said on Sunday. There is no question the video, spurring widespread outrage among those who cherish the 500,000 Tennessee Walking Horses that are registered in the United States, has created a furious demand to end the barbaric soring and heinous abuse that has plagued the industry for almost half a decade. The Horse Protection Act became a law in 1970 but only until this year – after 42 years -- has it been successfully prosecuted in Federal Court.
Earlier this year three others pleaded guilty to violations in Federal Court and one, trainer Barney Davis, actually got a year in prison for obstruction of justice and threating a witness. Now, with the top 20 trainers in the Celebration’s Riders Cup amassing a total of 164 violations of the Horse Protection Act in the last two years alone, Justice Department officials believe there will be further arrests and indictments.
Dane, a well-known and long-time horseman who serves on the Breeders and Exhibitors Board as a director from Maryland, was the subject of a scathing letter written by Celebration CEO Dr. Doyle G. Meadows to the Shelbyville Times-Gazette on April 12. Portions of that letter read:
* * *
“The Celebration Board of Directors and staff take exception to the article in the March 6 edition entitled "Much Soring Alleged" by Brian Mosely. It is a one sided advertorial for the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and Keith Dane causing serious harm to The Celebration and walking horse industry.
“The headline "Much Soring Alleged" and the statement in the first paragraph "An undercover investigation into animal abuse in the walking horse industry is only 'the tip of the iceberg,' a spokesman for the HSUS told the T-G" is pure and simple sensationalism is not indicative of reality…
“There is no question that a few horses are able to violate the law without detection and if the criteria is 100% compliance, the industry is guilty. We believe our record is outstanding and are proud to host the World Grand Championship for this magnificent breed.“Your glowing description of HSUS is consistent with the lack of research indicated above. They have no relationship with the community humane society in Bedford County and others across the country.
“Closer to home, the article clearly puts a cloud over all training establishments in Bedford County when HSUS' Keith Dane was asked if there were any training establishments here that "they are trying to get an inside look at as to what is going on." (Dane) wisely said he "couldn't say at this time" and you unwisely printed it casting a suspicious cloud over all area horsemen.
“Your Celebration Special Edition sells a significant amount of advertising to these trainers, and you should be ashamed to ask for their business in the future.“The Times-Gazette has historically had a wonderful relationship with The Celebration and the horse industry and it is a shame what has happened since the paper was sold to the existing company. They know little about our community and apparently care even less. When it was purchased, the new publisher said he would be moving to Shelbyville from Murfreesboro and would become part of our community. Unfortunately, that has not happened. Regardless of where he lives, the publisher is responsible for what appears in the paper.
“For the record, Dane did not attend the Celebration last year even though he was quoted extensively about it. He has attended on very few occasions and knows little about our inspection program and horse show. He was also identified by the T-G as a board member of the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors Association...and he is...he received two write-in votes with no other candidate running to become the director from Maryland.”
* * *
Once again, the ill-advised letter to the Shelbyville newspaper from Dr. Meadows appeared a month before the scandalous video would emerge. The uproar over the tape and more-recent revelations clearly show the Celebration CEO may have misspoken in his letter that castigated the Humane Society executive and also affronted the Times-Gazette’s management.
Now Dr. Meadows and his group have much larger problems. In Sunday’s editions of the Nashville Tennessean, columnist Gail Kerr actually printed the office telephone number of Federal Judge Sandy Mattice, who will sentence McConnell in early September, and listed the names and contact information for politicians who can create stiffer penalties for horse soring and other criminal animal abuse. In yesterday’s Knoxville News-Sentinel, Wayne Pacelle, the pesident and CEO of the Humane Society of America, wrote, “The highest levels of Tennessee walking horse competition are not clean,” and ripped the industry’s top officials with a well-informed letter that equated horse soring to dog fighting, seal clubbing, puppy millers and cockfighters.
According to Pacelle, “The (performance horse) ndustry claims a 98 percent compliance rate with the (Horse Protection Act), yet 52 of the 52 horses randomly tested were found by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to be positive for prohibited foreign substances having been applied to their ankles at the 2011 Tennessee Walking Horse Celebration, which is the major annual show (the Super Bowl, if you will) within the industry.
“Foreign substance violation rates (for soring, numbing or masking agents) at all shows at which the USDA inspected horses were 86 percent in 2010 and 97.6 percent in 2011. It doesn't get more pervasive than that,” wrote Pacelle.
So, from every corner, the lariat is tightening on the very people who – quite unbelievably – have now called for a June hearing to oust the Humane Society’s Keith Dane from its board of directors. As Atticus Finch once said in the book, To Kill A Mockingbird, “Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It’s knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do."
royexum@aol.com
SueNH and Malda like this.
     

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Arie update- good news and bad news Ariel Horse Health 12 12-08-2010 11:45 PM
Good News, Bad News, And ANOTHER Annoying Person AngelWithoutWings54 Horse Riding 4 09-23-2010 11:58 PM
Jumping... Good News and Bad News AngelWithoutWings54 Horse Training 11 06-26-2010 09:51 AM
So, you think SORING is wrong??? hanse004 Gaited Horses 121 12-28-2009 09:16 AM
Petition to End Soring Mr. Midnight's Mom Horse Protection 11 08-16-2008 04:04 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0