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    07-04-2013, 04:13 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
..... watch for the head bob as you speed up, and keep her at that pace. But really you need to build up the basics first.
RMH, KMH, MPH, and other 4-beaters donít generally bob their heads like TWH do.
Instead their tails bobÖ. So much so that slight differences in how a 4-beater moves will create different tail bob and wave patterns and those can be used to clue in on if the horse is hitting a true 4-beat (in timing) or is doing more of a stepping pace.

Note the smooth head and pronounced tail bob.


More showy gaits here, but again with the smooth head and tail bob.

Windy background- might want to turn down volume, but note how steady her head is.

Congrats EB on your new gaited horse!!
I agree with the others about her needing conditioning. As mentioned before hill work and building her up should help. There are also some good videos out there on specific exercises a gaited horse owner can focus on. Meaning if a gaited horse tends to trot try "X" or of a gaited horse wants to pace, try "Y".
I can't remember where I had found them, but they are from a gaited trainer and I will see if I can dig them up. I found them very informational.
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    07-04-2013, 04:18 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
I am working on riding with weight with my 7yo KMH gelding. (My 15yo KMHSA mare is a babysitter and doesn't need the training.)
Too many people start gaited horses heavy handed and they get to leaning on the bit. When I first got "Tyke" (1970-1998, RIP) TWH/QH, he leaned on the bit, too, but I worked him out of doing that. He was 15yo when I bought him.
The thing to remember is that they are just like your other non-gaited horses, with an extra and smooth gear.
AND, you and I stepped on some toes already. I had never heard of these breeds--except I had seen ads for RMH's in periodicals in CO--until I bought my excellent mare. I have heard that some breeding has created high strung animals in this field of breeds/registries, but I don't believe it.
EVERY gaited or 1/2 gaited horse that I've owned--7 in all--has preferred to gait instead of walk. It's a pain in the...neck...when one is riding gaited and YOU are not. You switch constantly from trot to canter to trot to canter. It was always fun when my DH rode "Tyke"

And somebody else was riding "Ro Go Bar", (QH, 1982-2009, RIP) bc had a road trot the same speed as Tyke's fastest running walk, and you had to know how to ask him to break to a lope!
That would be a whole different thread in its own LOL. I've heard quite a few interesting stories, from a few people who own RMH, and a few breeders whom are friends. I'll just keep those to myself. It's ok MPH aren't as well known as the RMH, but are gaining a steady following.
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    07-04-2013, 04:23 PM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
Agreed the horse most likely needs some conditioning but that won't help her, if you aren't able to learn the basics

The best I can offer is Liz Graves.

Watch her short video. Judging from your writings, you're plenty savvy to get what she's talking about

Liz Graves, Gaited Horse Tip: Base of the Neck - YouTube

Also, this her web site. It's been changed around since I last visited but there's an "articles" button and other informative links in the left bar that might help you.

Even though Tennessee Walkers are mentioned front and center, Liz has articles regarding all the gaited breeds. Your primary issue right now is to figure out what intermediate gait your mare is inclined to want to perform. My best thought would be to video her at liberty and go from there.

And yes, they will mimic what another horse is doing. My TWH with the champagne-smooth running walk trots every time he gets behind my Arab, in the pasture, but he has never once offered to trot when he's being ridden.

Liz Graves:Gaited Horse--Gathering of Gaits

Also, within Liz Graves' website is some valuable information that Lee Ziegler put out. Sadly Lee Ziegler passed away a few years back.

Lee Zieglers classroom

Hope this helps
Thanks I'll be looking into this a good bit. :) I can say her topline is looking much better, her muscles are toning up!!
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    07-04-2013, 04:31 PM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Macslady    
The best to do is walk, walk, walk, up hills, down hills. She is like a young horse just learning to balance with a rider. Give her time and soon enough gait will come. It took my mare a month of consistent riding to learn to carry my weight and balance herself to gait. She was most likely broke out like all of them so she could be certified in gait, then bred and put out to pasture.

Also setting up spaced poles for her to walk over will help a lot. It is good that she trots instead of pacing. Much easier to move into gait.

Hope you post pictures of her. Is she a descendent of Moon? He was one of the premiere stallions in the mountain pleasure lines. We had a mare who is a grandaughter of his. The Mountain Pleasure groups are very small, but gaining momentum. A lot of them double register as KMSHA and do shows as well as the MPH shows.
That is one great thing about where I live!! LOTS AND LOTS OF HILLS!! LOL living in the mountains, there are quite a few hills, and I do a good bit of hill work with her and always at a walk. I got her to step over trees on the trails, and flat rocks, she has an issue with rocks at the moment. And she is a great-granddaughter of Moon, and a granddaughter of Goldfinger. She is double registered KMSHA. I have one pic so far of her in my barn!
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    07-04-2013, 04:39 PM
  #15
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
RMH, KMH, MPH, and other 4-beaters donít generally bob their heads like TWH do.
Instead their tails bobÖ. So much so that slight differences in how a 4-beater moves will create different tail bob and wave patterns and those can be used to clue in on if the horse is hitting a true 4-beat (in timing) or is doing more of a stepping pace.

Note the smooth head and pronounced tail bob.

Rocky Mountain Horse, C.C.F.'s Shiloh...Sharing the Road - YouTube

More showy gaits here, but again with the smooth head and tail bob.
Gaits of the Rocky Mountain Horse - YouTube

Windy background- might want to turn down volume, but note how steady her head is.
CIMG9967 - YouTube

Congrats EB on your new gaited horse!!
I agree with the others about her needing conditioning. As mentioned before hill work and building her up should help. There are also some good videos out there on specific exercises a gaited horse owner can focus on. Meaning if a gaited horse tends to trot try "X" or of a gaited horse wants to pace, try "Y".
I can't remember where I had found them, but they are from a gaited trainer and I will see if I can dig them up. I found them very informational.
Thanks!! I'm can't get over how much of a want to please attitude she has, i'm not used to it.
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    07-04-2013, 04:41 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
RMH, KMH, MPH, and other 4-beaters donít generally bob their heads like TWH do.
Instead their tails bobÖ. So much so that slight differences in how a 4-beater moves will create different tail bob and wave patterns and those can be used to clue in on if the horse is hitting a true 4-beat (in timing) or is doing more of a stepping pace.

Note the smooth head and pronounced tail bob.

Rocky Mountain Horse, C.C.F.'s Shiloh...Sharing the Road - YouTube

More showy gaits here, but again with the smooth head and tail bob.
Gaits of the Rocky Mountain Horse - YouTube

Windy background- might want to turn down volume, but note how steady her head is.
CIMG9967 - YouTube

Congrats EB on your new gaited horse!!
I agree with the others about her needing conditioning. As mentioned before hill work and building her up should help. There are also some good videos out there on specific exercises a gaited horse owner can focus on. Meaning if a gaited horse tends to trot try "X" or of a gaited horse wants to pace, try "Y".
I can't remember where I had found them, but they are from a gaited trainer and I will see if I can dig them up. I found them very informational.
that first horse sure looks like it is pacing to me., every time you pause it you can see, that the legs on each side are moving together, that's why there is no head bob, its in a bad gait and seems to be hollowing its back, as its had its head set with training aids instead of with conditioning.
     
    07-04-2013, 07:27 PM
  #17
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LOL... no Joe, the first horse is not pacing.
A pace is where the front and hind leg on the same side hit the ground at the same time (a 2 beat gait.) If you go over to YT, it might show up more clearly (it does for me) and watch the front and hind hoof on the camera side, you will see the rear hoof hit the pavement well before the front hoof does.
This horse is doing the signature gait (single-footing or 4-beat) of the RMH, KMH, and MPH....and they do not bob their heads. My horse does not bob his head either (but my old TWH had such a big head nod during his running walk he would bob his bottom lip.)

This gait is not like the running walk, the Foxtrot, or the tolt.
Although hard to hear in those videos, the sound of the hoof falls is also a clue. The different gaits of gaited horses make different rhythms.
Try here-
http://www.brightonridge.com/about_gaits.html
The top horse in the video on this chart is pacing. The rest is a quick primer on the more common gaits.

If you re-watch the horse in the first YT video I posted above.... note how the tail bobs up and down. When a horse does a pace or stepping pace the tail doesn't bob up and down like this horse, but rather slightly side to side (with just a little bobbing up and down) and it creates a different tail movement.

I don't have the links anymore, but there are some really good sites out there where they film the horses wearing different colored tape or boots on the legs which helps the viewer follow the gaits to get a better understanding, along with using horses with shoes on hard surfaces so as to hear the distinct rhythms.
There is also articles on the tail bob and waves with videos.

Try this one-

Although not perfect, this video has the clear 1.2.3.4 footfall pattern (as opposed to the 1.2...3.4 stepping pace or the 1..2 pace) and the horse has a white front hoof marking making it easy to follow it and see he is not pacing.
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    07-04-2013, 08:57 PM
  #18
Yearling
Well here are a few pics of miss Chloe, before I brought her home, with her last baby Bud her gaited mule colt. I'll post more once I get more pics of her, hubby got a new laptop, and don't have any pics of her on it yet LOL

Chloe6-13[1].jpg

ChloeBud[1].jpg

ChloeBud2[1].jpg
     
    07-04-2013, 09:30 PM
  #19
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Oh my... I bet she is hard to keep clean.
And you nailed it... their desire to please is remarkable.

I found the video I was talking about. She is working with a RMH, a TWH, and a Paso.

At roughly 1:28 in she explains the difference of the cadence sound of the foot falls (the ďpucka pucka puckaĒ sentence) which I found really helpful in knowing what to listen for. Itís worth watching the whole video for some tips and things to focus on in the walk.
On her site she also talks about working on hills to improve the gait. (Ivyís horse trainingÖ. I think) and I found some other useful info too.

My apologies Joe for not including the fact that singlefooting is a lateral movement, as is most of the ambling group of gaits, not diagonal like trotting or the foxtrot, which is why when you pause the video the legs on the same side move together. They are supposed to, but it is how thay move and the footfall pattern that is the key. And, why the riders in the Rocky vidoes can hold a glass of water as they go and not spill a drop.
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    07-04-2013, 09:37 PM
  #20
Yearling
Acutally Lockwood, She isn't too bad to keep clean, she's actually a smokey creme color, and she actually cleans up pretty easy. Once I get a few more good pics of her, you'll really be able to see her markings. Thanks i'll be watching it asap!
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