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post #1 of 9 Old 06-06-2010, 03:50 PM Thread Starter
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My horse and I are confused

I bought Sundance a year ago at an auction. He was a stud and nobody wanted him. I had him gelded a week later, and a year later he has calmed down and is a great little horse. When I bought him, his Coggins paper said TWH and that is what I have called him for a year now. My farrier calls him a MFT and that is what the vet put down when we drew his Coggins the other day. How do you tell the difference? I don't really care what he is but would be nice to know. He is about 14.2 and small built. He has a small head, wears an arab or cob size bridle/halter.

Right after I got him:




A few months later:


Now: I love these pics of him meeting our newest herd member.



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post #2 of 9 Old 06-07-2010, 06:36 AM
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Well they have totally different gaits from my understanding. Does he gait at all?


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post #3 of 9 Old 06-07-2010, 08:10 AM
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The short answer is "you can't" from visual inspection only.

You might from DNA or Blood Typing (the latter not being nearly as reliable as the former). To do this, of course, you'd have to pull DNA/blood then have access to the breed data base.

Given the wide variety of gaits performed by both breeds you really can't use gait as a determining factor, either.

If the horse is doing well then enjoy him for what he is.

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post #4 of 9 Old 06-07-2010, 12:34 PM
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The short answer is "you can't" from visual inspection only.

You might from DNA or Blood Typing (the latter not being nearly as reliable as the former). To do this, of course, you'd have to pull DNA/blood then have access to the breed data base.

Given the wide variety of gaits performed by both breeds you really can't use gait as a determining factor, either.

If the horse is doing well then enjoy him for what he is.

G.
You can just pull blood and send it to most universities and have it determined, don't need access to a breed database...UC Davis and the University Of Kentucky do most everything for us and our associations.

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The short answer is "you can't" from visual inspection only.

You might from DNA or Blood Typing (the latter not being nearly as reliable as the former). To do this, of course, you'd have to pull DNA/blood then have access to the breed data base.

Given the wide variety of gaits performed by both breeds you really can't use gait as a determining factor, either.

If the horse is doing well then enjoy him for what he is.

G.
Yes, he is gaited and I love riding him. I never rode a gaited horse before and now am quite spoined.

Thank you, I do enjoy him for what he is. I just wondered. That's all.

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If you could have someone video you riding him at a gait we could probably tell you more so what gait he is doing at least,lol
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I am not the most experienced gaited horse person, I just got my first one last fall (a MFT). But you can't really go by the gaits, because my Foxtrotter will Foxtrot AND do a running walk (when she gets excited). And my neighbor has a lovely MFT who does a running walk more than he does a Foxtrot.

I believe the breeds are fairly intermingled, at least as far as when I researched my Foxtrotter's pedigree she seems to have a LOT of TWH in her. And my neighbor who is in to gaited horses says some horses are (or were?) dual registered with both registries. And then to mix it all up, you have the Mountain horse breeds too.

Have fun with your guy!
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post #8 of 9 Old 06-07-2010, 10:41 PM
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You can just pull blood and send it to most universities and have it determined, don't need access to a breed database...UC Davis and the University Of Kentucky do most everything for us and our associations.

Nate
This is true. But a DNA profile is just a DNA profile and won't tell you much unless you've a standard to compare it to. With access to the TWHBEA data base you could determine whether or not you've got any matches. Of course that would just tell you that the sire and/or dam were registered; it would not necessarily tell you breed if they were not.

Our breed also uses UC Davis. But our breed DNA profiles are proprietary, IIRC. I am open to correction if they're not.

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This is true. But a DNA profile is just a DNA profile and won't tell you much unless you've a standard to compare it to. With access to the TWHBEA data base you could determine whether or not you've got any matches. Of course that would just tell you that the sire and/or dam were registered; it would not necessarily tell you breed if they were not.

Our breed also uses UC Davis. But our breed DNA profiles are proprietary, IIRC. I am open to correction if they're not.

G.
yep which is why I said to draw blood...

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