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post #21 of 26 Old 10-11-2010, 11:43 PM
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Very interesting.

We treat all our horses with a carrot slice when they come to us. Once slice. Any other food requires the correct completion of one or more behaviors. They also know they have to wait their turn or they will be run off from the group with no treat. Nor "horsing around" when "mom or dad" are out there. But unless the other horse was trained like this I surely would not do any food rewarding.

We have a stallion and his daughter who are very food protective and food aggressive and both bit me once. The stallion bit me when I was removing a knot from his mane when he was eating. I chased him for about 10 minutes throwing acorns at him and from that point on he has to back away from his food before he gets it and he has to back away while he's eating if asked and we've had him for about 9 years, showed him and just fun ridden him with no problems but he is NEVER allowed to remotely threaten. The daughter was very bossy because her mom is THE herd alpha and the daughter thought the rest of the mares were afraid of her so she got a bit of an attitude and when I brought her grain she thought I stayed a bit too long and bit me on the hand. I chased her around and threw rocks at her and the funniest part was when the other mares would just step aside so I'd have a good shot at her butt. It was like "It's about time you dealt with that young'n - she is seriously full of herself" Well she never tried that again.

But there is always that risk of another horse trying to run off the one you're working with if it's close enough. I won't even go into an area with a strange horse if I'm carrying a bucket even if it's empty because they will go after you to get that grain.

I have used grain for clicker and it works fine and ours are trained well enough so we can use it on a trail ride with another of our horses and the second horse won't go after it but that's because they know their own rider will reward them.

One advantage of using a food reward and carrying a few carrot slices is if you should for some reason fall off the horse, the horse is much less likely to leave you and run off. We've had several occasions where a saddle slipped or a horse did a quick turn that caused one of use to lose balance and just slide off and in all cases the horse stay either right with us or stopped very soon and waited for us.

But NEVER give food unless the horse performs a designated action or you WILL get a mugger and that is so dangerous. A trainer friend told me about one she got in for training that was so bad she had to smack the horse upside the head with a bucket to get her to back off and we bought one who also had been treated extensively and I had to kick him in the shins with steel toed boots to get him to back off and give me my space. Nothing else would get that horse out of my lap. He looked so hurt but he did back up and THEN he got his treat so he perked up and figured it out just fine and now is always respectful. He was really a difficult one. We had to use two flapping jackets and two longe whips to get him to even move out in a round pen. He just wanted to hang with us and not move. Again once he did what was asked and then got his treat he was fine from then on. Really smart horse but BAD habits.

So absolutely be careful. You can do two horse at once IF you have two people, plenty of room and the horses aren't aggressive but you'd better know your horse and stay away from fences when you clicker train.
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post #22 of 26 Old 10-12-2010, 12:00 AM
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Standing dead still after being told to do so is an occasion for a reward that sometimes goes unrewarded by riders. Not every action requires motion.

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post #23 of 26 Old 10-12-2010, 12:04 AM
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Absolutely - HALT and STAND are two commands we teach very early. We teach BACK first though because with youngsters and all that energy they are just two dangerous if they don't know boundaries.
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Thanks for all the info...I will keep you posted on her far the ground work seems to be paying off!! She is responding to m better on the ground and after the surgery I will resume work with her as soon as I can
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post #25 of 26 Old 10-02-2012, 01:42 PM
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I fully understand what you are saying. The thing is, half the time now I cant even get into saddle fully before she tries to bolt. I have used the one rein stop on her and it worked. I made her stand there untill she relaxed and then tried to let her start walking, and then we started the process all over again. I am gathering that this is something that I need to keep doing with her? Believe me I dont baby her because of her past...I try to help her gain her confadence back. It is funny to see it when she finds something to spook over in the pasture and moms horse makes her settle down. I want to try and ride her tonight since it is relitavely cooler than it has has been in the upper 90s with high humitiy for the last several weeks and I have been afraid of getting her too hot.
you need to work on her standing still while being mounted, you have to allow yourself some time just for that. get her ready to ride,. start to mount by starting to put your foot up, if she moves at all tap her on the neck and say no. keep doing that until she allows you to put your foot up. when she allows that put your foot in the stirup. work with her until she is good at letting you put your foot in the stirrup. when she does not allow it , tap her , tell her no, then go back to the beginning. when she does allow that point, Then start putting weight on the stirrup. if she moves, tap her and tell her no. it's takes baby steps with a horse doing that. but slowly but surely with each baby step. she starts getting used to it, after she lets you put weight in the stirrup lift yourself up, if she moves, do the same thing tap her and tell her no. go back down , start all over from the beginning . up to the lifting your self up if she moves again, tap her and tell her no, do not continue mounting if she moves, tap her and tell her no. with patience she'll start getting it. of course during all this, praise her when she does allow each step with being still.

i had one that did this and I was quite surprised I was mounting her after working with her for about 1 hour. that does not mean she was perfect at it, I did a week or two of sessions with her like that. she started learning I was not going to mount her in that state and it displeased me. It worked because I not only let her know she was displeasing me. I showed her what it was I wanted her to do in stead. and no matter how long it took. I took the patience to guide her and let her know when she was not doing correctly. she was a paso.
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This thread is from 2010 and the OP hasn't been on the board for almost a year.

Seriously folks, LOOK at the date of the original post before you start blathering advice!

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!
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