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    12-07-2011, 09:40 AM
  #11
Green Broke
To the OP-you said the pic was a friend riding your horse, you may be a different weight & hold your hands differently. You haven't mentioned how long you've been riding-how long you've had this horse, if you're just trial riding, riding w/a group & are they all gaited, or do you ride w/slower horses? Who's critiquing you? A trainer? Another rider? Someone who's an "expert" w/gaited horses? Do you always go "at speed" or do you sometimes just go out to enjoy the countryside? How do you & the horse get along otherwise? Have you read any horsemanship books? That will anwer some of these questions-some will be available in a library, so you can see if the information helps-then if you like it, & want it for reference, invest in the book.
     
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    12-07-2011, 09:54 AM
  #12
Green Broke
I see that you have two posts about this. There is more info on the other one-So he is recently gelded & you just got him- he had been used for breeding for a couple of years. You want to show in WP, & sounds like you've been riding for awhile, but gaited horses are new to you? Is this your only horse now? How much time can you devote to him? Do you have a trainer-is he boarded at a barn or is he at home w/you? Does anyone else ride/work w/him on a consistent basis?
     
    12-07-2011, 11:10 AM
  #13
Weanling
Tbrantley, the horse is hollow backed in the photo. I don't know as much about racking horses, as I don't let my horse rack, but in a runwalk or flatwalk there are two sides to the rounding, the front and the back.

You need to be having the horse moving out from the rear (leg motivation) while holding him steady in the front ...my instructor explained is as 4 doors on a horse, you open the back door and close the front, when you want to sidepass or turn you close one side and open the other with your legs and hands etc etc

So if you want collection and roundness, you open the back door by motivationg your horse forward from the rear and keep the front door closed so their movement and power is out of the back end...in these gaited breeds back end is really important, racking or not, but the whole horse needs to be worked ...it's not about holding them back with a heavy hand in the front, but asking them to maintin their front end where it is at while moving out in the rear....the dropping of the head by rein aid techniquie can help, but some horses just set themselves up and don't need it. My mare does it on her own now that she understands because that is comfortable for her and she has developed her muscles properly so when I engage her rear she automatically sets her head and gets her power from the back rather than going strung out.

It can be really confusing to understand, and I wont pretend I know racking horses, as it may be different, but a horse is a horse and if he has his head up the way he does you're bound to get hollow back if you do not at least practice cantering and other rounding gaits. Like G said in another post, you can avoid having the head set and getting hollow back for stargazers by doing other gaits that use roundness ie canter, circles, backing up a lot...
     
    12-07-2011, 03:20 PM
  #14
Started
OP, you understand now how hard it is for horsepeople to thoroughly answer a horse question on a forum; there's always more information on the horse & to learn how to ride correctly takes a lifetime.

The best thing to do is listen to the horse; e.g., when he's traveling in star-gazing-coupled-with-hollow-back mode, if you pay attention, you can feel & see all of that.

Every rider needs to know how to read the horse's body in order to help the horse to travel under the rider in the most efficient/beneficial way for the horse. Otherwise, the horse will break down.
     
    12-07-2011, 05:57 PM
  #15
Weanling
To answer some of your questions, I just got the horse November 18. He was just cut on November 1st. I have other horses. I have another gaited horse and have been riding him for over a year. I was told that I have a natural seat and am easy on the mouth. My other horse rides with his nose tucked and collected up. He is smooth but is 16 hands and really is to tall for me. I bought the new horse because he is 15 hands and easier for me to get on and off. I like to ride horses a lot. I ride year round and go to different horse camps. I ride 15-20 miles a day during prime riding weather. I ride different speeds. I like a nice rack when I have a smooth horse that can do it easily and the trails are appropriate, and a nice running walk. When I said I don't know much about gaited horses, I guess I am saying I don't understand the different terms people use. I just get on my horse and enjoy the ride. But, I have been told by many different people that I had been riding a natural gaited horse that didn't need anything special. I guess maybe I didn't realize how nice he is. When someone made a negative comment about my new horse, that I don't understand. I am quick to want to fix it.
My horses are in my back yard. I have not ridden the new horse but a couple of times. That is when a person in the group that I was riding with told me that my new horse wasn't as nice as my other horse because he noses out. That it was important that I worked on it. I didn't say anything to the person because my feelings were hurt and I was very proud of my new horse and thought he was pretty nice horse.

I do have a friend that is a trainer but he lives in another county and I haven't had a chance to talk with him yet. I really wanted to fix the horse before he actually seen it. I didn't want him to make any negative comments about this new horse. I was wanting to show off that I could pick a nice horse without his help .

The weather as been really nasty here in Ky since I bought the horse so I have ridden him very little. He hasn't been ridden much the last two years before I bought him. He had been used for breeding purposes only. He has been kept stalled up a lot with little exercise. I plan to change all that.

I have read some articles about gaited horses Brenda Immas, I think was her name and some other articles.

I was hoping that I could get more information by using this horse forum to get information from others that are more knowledgeable than I am.
I really care about my horses and want to do what is best for them.
     
    12-07-2011, 06:29 PM
  #16
Yearling
I'm not a Brenda Imus fan. I knew her when she was just "Brenda Imus" not "Brenda Imus, Gaited Horse Expert." I was not impressed then and am not impressed now.

You're better off with Lee Ziegler's book and articles.

Don't be too quick to make changes. Your new horse is just more than a month after gelding. He's still "transitioning" from being a stallion. While most stallion behavior is instinctive, not hormonal, the hormones are the "fuel" for the fire. They are still likely being "burned off" and it will take some time for their memory to fade.

When you start riding him spend a lot of time at the dog walk to get him to move easily and accept the bit. This will also be essential because he's now very out of shape. It will take you a month or two of steady work just to build the stamina necessary for him to perform for you. If you have some hills dog walk him up and down to build strength. After a couple of months add the gait and short periods at the canter to add endurance.

Every horse has a native way of going. Right now I doubt you can tell just what his way will be, given his "post op" status and lack of strength and endurance. If he accepts the bit without resistance and will engage his hindquarters for a stride or two then you've got a foundation to build on. If not then that will be Job One.

Good luck in your project.

G.
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    12-07-2011, 07:43 PM
  #17
Weanling
Thank you G. I wasn't to imress w/ Brenda Imus articles either. I am so glad that you said that he will take time for transition from being a stallion to a gelding because I am still noticing some stud like behavior. I strongly agree with your point that I need to take it slow and build up his endurance. I plan on it being my winter progect. I live close to a wildlife area which has horseback riding trails which includes a lot of hills, and ditches. Taking your suggestion, I will start him at a steady slow walk and just work on him moving easier and accept the bit. I am hoping to gain his trust and respect. As, I learn to become confident and comfortable on him. I am looking forward to the challenge. I think he is going to be well worth it. How long have you been riding, you seem to know a lot about horses?
     
    12-07-2011, 10:03 PM
  #18
Yearling
I bought my first Walker in 1987; sold my last one in 1999. Bought my first Marchador in 1999; still got a bunch of them.

G.
     
    12-07-2011, 10:18 PM
  #19
Weanling
Met her (Brenda) one time, very rude even to the people buying at her booth. I made a comment on one of the products stating it looked just like a Reinsman product. That wasn't received very well.

I was also on the Gaits of Gold forum, very hard to help people when you can't recommend other brands which in my opinion may be better than hers. I changed forums.
     
    12-08-2011, 09:54 AM
  #20
Green Broke
Tbb-I am so glad to hear that you will be giving your new horse time to adjust to you & his new status as a gelding & a riding horse. Both of those are a transition for him. Do the bonding, get to know each other, as he looks to be a very nice horse. I'm sure your time will be well invested in him, he is still young, & since he hasn't been overworked,you're ahead on that at least. Good luck w/him & please keep us posted~we love pics!
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