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post #1 of 9 Old 01-01-2011, 11:50 PM Thread Starter
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Once and for all....*what is his gait??*

I posted about a year ago asking what you think Arthur's gait is, but I got a ton of different answers. He's a grade Paso Fino, 14.3hh, 23 years old. Here's us at our first show this summer at fair in the easy-gaited pleasure and equitation classes, and we moved on to championships. I don't know if he's doing his Paso Fino largo, or a corto, or another gait....like a TWH running walk or something? It's very comfortable. I don't think the judge at the championships knew he was a Paso though, because she asked me why I rode him with two hands, and I told her he neck reins but since he was a Paso Fino, they are always ridden two-handed in show. She seemed a bit surprised. Anyway, tell me what you think. He's the sorrel, we're the Western ones.

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He is pacing throughout the pattern portion. If you pause at 1:08 you can see that he is pacing quite clearly.

At a few places in the video I spied a 'stepping pace' where there is a little hitch to the pace...he does seem to favor the pace though.

While I know that you have a trainer, here are a few little things that I noticed.

You are giving the judges a bunch of mixed signals. You are riding in a western saddle, in western attire however...You are riding two handed. While I have never shown Pasos, at a local gaited show they won't understand that Pasos are supposed to be ridden two handed.

Your horses tail head is braided. That doesn't say western to me. Your image is just a bit off. The other girls all seem to be riding saddleseat. Yours is a bit of a pieced together. Please don't think I am putting you down, that is not the case. I think arthur is a nice horse and that you are a good rider. I just think you may have confused the judge.

One last thing, you have to make an effort to keep your eyes up. It is causing your whole posture to look slumped. With it cleared up, I am sure you will rock the class!
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Thanks. I know we sucked, to put it plainly. The braiding and glitter and all was an aesthetic thing my mom and friends made me do, but whatever. It probably did give mixed signals! We placed first in the pleasure class out of the four, second in the equitation class. The judge did know Paso's showed two-handed, she approached me and told me to work on neck reining because only paso's showed two-handed western, and I said he was a paso, and that kind of stumped her. I guess his gaits don't make him look Paso.

Urgh, I know I always look down, it's a really bad habit of mine. I'm not working with a trainer on Western, I don't really expect to get anywhere big with Artie, he's just a goold ole' reliable trail horse I decided to try showing . The show bill said the easy-gaited classes were Western or Saddleseat (W/SS) and as I don't have saddleseat attire, I decided on Western. I see what you mean about pacing during the pattern, it was kind of bumpy and we were having a battle of wills about going back to the barn versus finishing the class, LOL. Hence why his backing wasn't too clean.

Any ideas on what gait he's doing during the "show gait" portions? At :51 he does a fox trot I think and then switches to a pace or something else at the start of the pattern. What is the gait he does the most? He was horribly inconsistant, but I guess the judge didn't notice or she wouldn't have placed him first in pleasure, lol.
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The Paso Fino should have a clearly sounding 4 beat gait. Your horse paces, which is unfortunately, incorrect.

Have a look and listen here and you will see what I mean. I have never ridden a Paso Fino, but did have a few Peruvian Pasos at one time.

Gaits of the Paso Fino - HorseChannel.com
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Well the good news is, he is a nice riding horse. He doesn't seem phased by his surroundings. The other horses in the class seem a bit stressed and up. Being a pleasure class, he should win. He has a comfortable, smooth gait (even if it is a pace) and that really is all that is required. If you were to take him to a Paso show, his gaits would probably need to be refined.

From what I have read up on Pasos (I am more of a walker/ssh/racker person) his gaits are more of a 'pleasure' gait. The corto and largo seem to be equivelant to the flat walk and the running walk only with a different action to them. I can see a little flat walk and a little running walk (corto, largo) in the video in different areas. Both should be a balanced, four beat gait.

I still catch myself looking down. Either directly at the ground or, more commonly, at my hands. When I am showing, I try to keep my posture 'confident' with my shoulders back and my chest up. Its really hard to look down when you have a 'confident' posture.

You guys are doing great. I certainly think he does very well for his age!
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I've done a ton of research on gaited breeds, I bought books like "Easy-Gaited Horses" my Ziegler (which is great, btw), etc., but differentiating between gaits is not my forte, unfortunately!

It's funny, because he has quite a few gaits he does at different times. In hand he'll pace, in the pasture he'll do a fox trot, and on the way back to the barn on trail he'll do either a corto or a largo, with high cornered knee action and very forward motion. That's beautiful, wish he would do that in the ring lol!

He is super bombproof, not phased by anything. Actually, at 3:34 in the video there was motorcross racing or something going on in the stadium behind the arena, the horses were flipping out and speeding up, but you can see Artie barely batted an eye

It struck me odd that he was the only horse who actually cantered. The walkers both sped up but didn't canter, and the spotted saddle horse kind of looked like he was piouretting at a canter on a straight line. Odd.

I love this horse, he came home from fair with twelve ribbons, two of them Reserve Grand Champions . Who said trail horses can't show? :P

In the championships (both regular class and championships are in the video), the judge was a carted walking horse judge but judged a lot of easy-gaited breeds, and she said before the placings that she wanted the horse most like his ideal breed standard, which is probably why we only placed second for that. Oh well, it was fun

Here's some pictures of him showing off his fox trot in the pasture....at least I think it's a fox trot
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Aren't Fox Trotters also ridden two handed in a show ring? I could just be confused. I've never seen any in person at a show, but I know my friend who trail rides her always acts like they should be ridden two handed. But I don't know if that is a show-ring thing or not?
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To me one or two handed riding is more a style thing than a breed thing.

If you're riding Western then you should be riding one handed. The reason is that your free hand belongs to ranch and should be available to do ranch work (in the U.S. or Mexico that would be use a rope; in Spain, a lance).

If you're riding Military then you ride one handed because the free hand belongs to Uncle Sam and is available for the standard, guidon, pistol, or saber.

If you're riding English then you're likely riding two handed because that's the style of the Hunt, Dressage, etc.

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^^As I said above, Pasos are always ridden two-handed. He does neck rein exceptionally well and I would have been riding him two-handed in the above classes, but the breed showing standards call for two-handed, whether stock or saddleseat.
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