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        11-10-2009, 10:59 PM
      #21
    Trained
    I really am failing to see where this guy is mistreating the horse; His hands and body are really quiet while he is riding, he's not tugging on the horse, but has that constant pressure that is typical for gaited horses...he isn't forcing his nose in, nor is this horse's head really strung up. On the ground, again, very little pressure was needed; the horse looked relaxed in his presence, and I think the horse is trained that when you return, that's his release. He didn't "Back Up" he 'stood up'.

    Anyway, to the OP, I would say go and try him out; try him on a looser rein, but don't be surprised if the horse is forward moving, and 'looks' for that pressure. This CAN be fixed with some persistence, and patience, but don't expect him to "not" want to "go" with less pressure right off.
         
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        11-10-2009, 11:46 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    ^ I just think he looks abit hard on the bit, but other than that, I may be wrong, but eh But I agree with you 100%

    Go try him out and see how he works for you !
         
        11-11-2009, 12:15 AM
      #23
    Weanling
    I agree to go see him. IMO I don't notice anything funny, it seems he a lot of "go" and like others have said, he doesn't seem spooky...just interested? I notice his ears are pricked and he just seems to like looking around him, no weird little movements or noticeable flicking of the head or tail, etc.. I don't have any probs with the handler, he has a good seat, calm position, and although the horse's head is high I don't really see him yanking the reins back at all. As previously said the lofty carriage is probably a trait of the breed.

    For the parking...all I see is a well-trained horse. The guy isn't being rough with him, and he's not acting scared of said guy.

    Go see the horse, I personally rather like him. :)
         
        11-13-2009, 07:30 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Found myself another little TWH in the area where I will be going to try out Esprit, so I figured I will check her out too: Tennessee Walking Horse For Sale, Indiana, New Haven

    Josie needs some groceries, a few too "ribby" looking for me! The pics are awful angles and such, so it's really hard to tell how she actually looks. She'd definitely be a bit more of a "project" than Esprit, at least to get her into decent looking shape... But if she's a smooth ride and sweet to boot, maybe she'll work out.

    I'll be driving down tomorrow to take them both for a test ride and see whether or not we "click" personality-wise. Makes the drive a bit more worthwhile too, taking a look at two horses rather than just one.

    I can't wait to see both of these horses and take 'em for a test ride. I will admit I am partial to the gelding, Esprit, so I really (really, really!) hope he works out well!

    I've already called a few vets in the area to discuss pre-purchase exams and just need to schedule a date/time and with which horse! Oh, and find a transporter to bring my horse up to me... I'd love to have everything settled by Thanksgiving so I can take advantage of the 4-day weekend to spend time bonding.

    I wonder if I will be able to sleep tonight??? I'm already feeling giddy just thinking that by this time tomorrow I may know whether I am getting a horse by the end of the month or not!
         
        11-13-2009, 10:44 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Best of luck. That little mare looks like a really nice deal. Could use a few groceries, but that's an easy fix. If she was a horse used by kids you know she has to be well broken and pretty spook free. And at her age she has tons of years left.
         
        11-14-2009, 11:21 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Well, the gelding I was going to see today sold on Thursday. The seller emailed me late Friday evening to let me know. I decided to still make the drive to see the mare that was in the same area, even though it was a 3 hour drive just for one horse and she was the one I liked less of the two...

    Josie, the chestnut mare (Tennessee Walking Horse For Sale, Indiana, New Haven), turned out to be a total sweetheart! Such a great personality, really interested in people, always looking and listening to what we were talking about. She has very good ground manners, standing patiently while three strange people she'd never met brushed, poked and prodded to check her out. She has put on quite a few pounds and looks much much better than her ad shows. Another hundred pounds and/or more muscle tone and she'd be just right!

    We tacked her up and the gal took her for a spin around the outdoor arena. Josie has more of a pace than a running walk so she isn't quite the smooth gaited horse I was hoping for. My friend, with 15 yrs of dressage lessons, took Josie for a ride next, putting her through her gaits. Again, pacing instead of running-walk. The pace has a very side-to-side movement for the rider, not quite as bumpy as a trot but still a lot of bouncing around.

    I took her for a ride next, (my first time in a treeless saddle by the way), and while Josie is a fantastic little mare I don't think she is the one for me right now. If I bought her, I'd have to pay a trainer for a while to get her trained to gait. I'd much rather spend a little more up front to get a horse that doesn't need the training and just gaits out smoothly and naturally.

    I'm going to keep her in mind, as she's been on the market for a while (and her pics are very unflattering, which might mean she'll stay on the market a bit longer) and if nothing else comes up I may consider going the trainer route.

    Personality wise, she was perfect. Everything I would want in a horse - very affectionate without being pushy. I had treats in my pocket, and she knew it, but didn't get lippy. She sniffed my pockets quite intently, but never tried to get the treats. She let me hug on her, handle her legs, head and ears extensively without a flinch. There were some gunshots (hunters) nearby and a few kids on motorized 4-wheelers right next to the ring and she didn't seem to care one bit.

    But the gaiting is something important to me. I'd hope that a good trainer with a background with gaited horses could get it out of her, but there's no guarantee either. I could end up with a sweet, friendly, well-trained non-gaited horse. And if I'm going to take a chance on a non-gaited horse, I could find many other options much closer to home that wouldn't cost the extra expense to ship to me.

    So the day didn't turn out quite the way I planned, but I don't feel bad or like I wasted my time. Josie really helped me to better realize what I want/don't want in a horse and the 2 gals we met at her barn were wonderfully fun people. We spent far more time chatting with them then I'd expected, but it made for a very fun afternoon!

    I guess I'll be searching Dreamhorse, Horsetopia, Craigslist and more until I find another good one!
         
        11-15-2009, 07:12 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    I would bet the pacing comes from the underweight issue. It conserves energy by not using as much muscle. But I agree, better to keep looking and as you said spend a bit more money to get the right one. Keep us posted.
         
        11-16-2009, 09:25 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ktpupp    
    Well, the gelding I was going to see today sold on Thursday. The seller emailed me late Friday evening to let me know. I decided to still make the drive to see the mare that was in the same area, even though it was a 3 hour drive just for one horse and she was the one I liked less of the two...

    Josie, the chestnut mare (Tennessee Walking Horse For Sale, Indiana, New Haven), turned out to be a total sweetheart! Such a great personality, really interested in people, always looking and listening to what we were talking about. She has very good ground manners, standing patiently while three strange people she'd never met brushed, poked and prodded to check her out. She has put on quite a few pounds and looks much much better than her ad shows. Another hundred pounds and/or more muscle tone and she'd be just right!

    We tacked her up and the gal took her for a spin around the outdoor arena. Josie has more of a pace than a running walk so she isn't quite the smooth gaited horse I was hoping for. My friend, with 15 yrs of dressage lessons, took Josie for a ride next, putting her through her gaits. Again, pacing instead of running-walk. The pace has a very side-to-side movement for the rider, not quite as bumpy as a trot but still a lot of bouncing around.

    I took her for a ride next, (my first time in a treeless saddle by the way), and while Josie is a fantastic little mare I don't think she is the one for me right now. If I bought her, I'd have to pay a trainer for a while to get her trained to gait. I'd much rather spend a little more up front to get a horse that doesn't need the training and just gaits out smoothly and naturally.

    I'm going to keep her in mind, as she's been on the market for a while (and her pics are very unflattering, which might mean she'll stay on the market a bit longer) and if nothing else comes up I may consider going the trainer route.

    Personality wise, she was perfect. Everything I would want in a horse - very affectionate without being pushy. I had treats in my pocket, and she knew it, but didn't get lippy. She sniffed my pockets quite intently, but never tried to get the treats. She let me hug on her, handle her legs, head and ears extensively without a flinch. There were some gunshots (hunters) nearby and a few kids on motorized 4-wheelers right next to the ring and she didn't seem to care one bit.

    But the gaiting is something important to me. I'd hope that a good trainer with a background with gaited horses could get it out of her, but there's no guarantee either. I could end up with a sweet, friendly, well-trained non-gaited horse. And if I'm going to take a chance on a non-gaited horse, I could find many other options much closer to home that wouldn't cost the extra expense to ship to me.

    So the day didn't turn out quite the way I planned, but I don't feel bad or like I wasted my time. Josie really helped me to better realize what I want/don't want in a horse and the 2 gals we met at her barn were wonderfully fun people. We spent far more time chatting with them then I'd expected, but it made for a very fun afternoon!

    I guess I'll be searching Dreamhorse, Horsetopia, Craigslist and more until I find another good one!
    Have you considered looking into any Mountain Horses? Right now you can buy papered and certified KY Mtns pretty cheap in my area...Get that 4 beat gait not pace and no trot with an excellent and willing attitude...Good Luck!

    Nate
         
        11-16-2009, 01:15 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hccumminssmoke    
    Have you considered looking into any Mountain Horses? Right now you can buy papered and certified KY Mtns pretty cheap in my area...Get that 4 beat gait not pace and no trot with an excellent and willing attitude...Good Luck!

    Nate
    I have been searching for any breed that is listed as gaited, including some KMHs. I haven't seen many of them up here in Michigan, we seem to have more TWHs than other gaited breeds. But I'm open to any smooth gaited horse that doesn't trot or pace. :)
         
        11-16-2009, 01:44 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ktpupp    
    I have been searching for any breed that is listed as gaited, including some KMHs. I haven't seen many of them up here in Michigan, we seem to have more TWHs than other gaited breeds. But I'm open to any smooth gaited horse that doesn't trot or pace. :)
    Kentucky Mountain Horse

    Nate
         

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