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post #11 of 21 Old 03-07-2014, 08:52 PM
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Is he fine boned or thick boned? Is he old style or new style? The older style TWHs are thicker boned and broader. My old TWH was a monster. He was over 16 hands and a good 2 feet wide at the chest. My new girl is finer boned and while she's nearly 16 hands, she appears to be much narrower. She really isn't though. Looks can be deceiving.

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Just a rule of thumb but geldings generally are at 97% of their height at 2 years old. As for how long to full maturity again it's nothing but a rule of thumb but expect him to be between 5-6 before finished gaining height, width, chest depth, bone mass and muscle. Generally if they are fine and short they'll finish up quite a bit sooner than one that's tall and thick.
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If you wanted a rail horse, you should have spent the money on a show horse. However, most of that big lick nonsense is artificial. Once the pads and chains come off, they lose that "big" motion. Not saying they aren't powerful movers, but that they aren't going to get that over-level movement. They aren't really bred for it.

If you want a naturally high stepping horse, you should have gone with a saddlebred. The only drawback for them is they are trotting horses, not gaited horses(though some are trained) and they are different in general temperament/personality.
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post #14 of 21 Old 03-18-2014, 08:25 PM Thread Starter
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When they stop growing in height can sometimes depend on blood line.

I can't speak to the newer "models" but my coming 20 Generator fella had a growth spurt at age seven that took him to 16.1H. He was always gangly looking and hip high no matter how much I fed him. The last two years I've been trying to take weight OFF because his long athletic-built self does not look good with extra pounds.

The fella in my avatar is more "Morgany" looking (a Morgan mare is the TWH foundation mare of record). Even though his sire, Pride's Genious was well over 16H, my fella topped out at 14.3H and filled out by the time he was four or five; I can't remember as he is now 26 and we've been buds 23 of those years.

Also, that stocky little 14.3H guy in my avatar has such a natural awesome reach that folks comment on it when he is 1,000+ feet away, at liberty in the pasture. It's been commented to me there are TWH's "with twice the leg" that can't get under themselves like he can". As someone else said, the horse either has the reach or it doesn't

My third TWH, who will be 19 this year, was coming 12 when I bought him; he had his height and had already "blossomed" As an FYI, he is built like the horse in my avatar but is 15.3H and comes from very old timey Plantation stock; both his parents were in their 20's when he was foaled.

If sounds as if your vet has given you great advice. If your fella is on the gangly side believe me that will be a huge athletic plus once he gets his legs under him (don't push that as TWH's are generally 3 or a little older before they finally find their legs and their gait.

My two stocky built TWH's deal with insulin issues, to-date the lanky athletic guy (who was gangly as a young-un) does not.
Wow! That's a long time to develop height! And yeah definitely on the gangly side. I feed him so much lol I don't know where it goes he may be waiting till he's seven then shoot up lol one of my friends said he look like and old plantation line of twh he's d effinately got the hair!
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Is he fine boned or thick boned? Is he old style or new style? The older style TWHs are thicker boned and broader. My old TWH was a monster. He was over 16 hands and a good 2 feet wide at the chest. My new girl is finer boned and while she's nearly 16 hands, she appears to be much narrower. She really isn't though. Looks can be deceiving.
He looks fine boned and very narrow
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If you wanted a rail horse, you should have spent the money on a show horse. However, most of that big lick nonsense is artificial. Once the pads and chains come off, they lose that "big" motion. Not saying they aren't powerful movers, but that they aren't going to get that over-level movement. They aren't really bred for it.

If you want a naturally high stepping horse, you should have gone with a saddlebred. The only drawback for them is they are trotting horses, not gaited horses(though some are trained) and they are different in general temperament/personality.
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I thought about a saddlebred but its hard to find very nice saddlebreds in north georgia. Plus I found this guy for $350 he was two unbroken stallion not guaranteed to gait and a bit scruffy but I saw and felt this potential in him and the longer I have him the more he proves me right. Never had one make me feel this way lol he gave me some sort of fire I guess.he's not papered either so he can't show in any twh shows anyway so I probably won't put him on a rail. I think I've just got a great horse I enjoy and tailor made for me. It was just meant to be. I actually rescued him from his owner. He was from Honduras and didnt speak english his mother in law did all the talking and he was originally $500. She said she made him get rid of my horse because he beat the crap out of him and she was afraid for him he had huge welps and stripes of missing hair around his rear and back legs. She just let me have him for 350
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Sry the owner was from Honduras not the horse lol
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With proper muscling (from training) and after about age 5 your horse should begin to fill out. Right now he is still young and still maturing.. (horses mature from the ground up with the back to be the last to fully mature) Walking horses are no different. I agree with the others using pads and etc to make a horse "pick up" in the front is not long term and depending on the device will depend on the long term effects. I do occasionaly use action "chains" no more than 4 ounces for various reasons but not exclusively to create a high stepper. The shoulders is were the lift comes from. I have used stretchers to muscle up the shoulders in horses that are a bit lacking in that department (PROPER USE OF SUCH ITEMS ARE ESSENTIAL. DO NOT USE WITH OUT EXPERIENCE). I also use cavelletis and poles to help with shoulder muscling (they wont create a high lift though just muscling and can help with squaring up a gait.) as well as hill work (for both rear and front). First off though if I want high lift in the front I try to go for a horse that has naturaly high lift to begin with. Otherwise its all gimmick. Just like if I want a WP horse I buy a horse with a naturally lower neck set coming off the shoulders. I don't force a horse in a frame if he/she is naturally higher set in the neck coming off the shoulders. It off sets thier natural balance. With proper training and muscling exercises the horse will naturaly gain a little more lift in the front but if he isnt naturaly high stepping then your out of luck. Long toes, weighted shoes, flying Ws and heavy action devices and other such items will only cause more damage in the long run esp in young stock. Then that means your horse will have to live his life in a stall for weight shoes and long toes and etc. are easily torn off and lost if turned out at liberty.

A book I recommend is: "Training the gaited horses from the trail to the rail" by Gary Lane. He is gimmick free and takes his time. Easy to understand and to follow.

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I have a twh out of Pride's Generator. Major's Rare Performance. He was like me, Tall from the beginning. He has one of those ole fashion hammer heads and was all neck and legs in his youth. If he walked directly up to you, all you could see was this giant, long face looking at you. His momma must have been a gentle calm soul which he took after in the beginning. But, as he ages, he seems to be following in his father's footsteps. Before I digress any farther, back to his statue. At 12 years, he has filled out and has very nice proportions. These young horses sometimes tend to be very lanky for a long time. But, they are wonderful horses. He is a very personable animal to people and other horses

As far as pads and wedges, he is barefooted and goes beautifully. I guess building his feet up never happened because I can see myself trying to run in high heels. He's awfully pretty when he gaits and does his natural big licks.

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