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post #21 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 11:17 AM
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I am ne of those measly 7K who got the card..... I hate propositions...and then they call it a POLL, so what is it?

I am not sure I want to vote to remove "all pads and chains in order to end the public perception of soring and abuse presently associated with the TWH breed, to eliminate HIOs and to increase the penalties for soring"

What is an HIO?

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post #22 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 11:50 AM
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Haha, eliminate pads and chains to end the perception of soring? It says nothing about actual soring practices except increase penalties. What a joke ofa proposition!
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post #23 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 12:00 PM
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That Midnight Sun is definitely what a TWH should look like, a long comfortable ride. Certainly closer to what our horses actually do, and the goal of most, outside the BL. This is more of what I see at the TWH barns that do show and don't stack , chain, or sore. Just work with a horse's God given talent. Just Lovely, not circus freaks.
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post #24 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 02:19 PM
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I get tired of hearing that you can't produce a biglick horse without soring. The pads and chains are part of it but it can and is accomplished without soring y'all should spend more time outside and less time on the WWW.
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Okay, I'll go along with you that you can indeed produce a big lick horse without soring. But WHY do you want big lick??

Did you even look at the three videos I posted earlier in the thread? If those videos are examples of *correct* gait in the TWH why would you want something else? Big lick isn't natural, it's not normal, it's not something the horse does on its own. Big lick isn't useful; by that I mean you couldn't and wouldn't take a big lick horse out of the barn and use that gait to ride to the neighbors or to check a fence line.

You admit that you can't get big lick without shoes, pads and chains. So I'm puzzled as to why big lick is even desired. It's hard on the horse, I imagine it costs lots of money to pad and shoe the horse, so what's the deal? Is this really just a competition between human egos to see who can get the most outrageous movement?
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post #25 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 02:59 PM
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Haha, eliminate pads and chains to end the perception of soring? It says nothing about actual soring practices except increase penalties. What a joke ofa proposition!
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I still cannot figure out if I should vote No (does that make me "FOR" soring????) or just not vote at all!!!

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post #26 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 06:18 PM
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Okay, I'll go along with you that you can indeed produce a big lick horse without soring. But WHY do you want big lick??

Did you even look at the three videos I posted earlier in the thread? If those videos are examples of *correct* gait in the TWH why would you want something else? Big lick isn't natural, it's not normal, it's not something the horse does on its own. Big lick isn't useful; by that I mean you couldn't and wouldn't take a big lick horse out of the barn and use that gait to ride to the neighbors or to check a fence line.

You admit that you can't get big lick without shoes, pads and chains. So I'm puzzled as to why big lick is even desired. It's hard on the horse, I imagine it costs lots of money to pad and shoe the horse, so what's the deal? Is this really just a competition between human egos to see who can get the most outrageous movement?
Very well said. This is actually one of the best arguments I've heard against the big lick.

I'd like to your videos were excellent examples of a running walk.
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post #27 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 07:10 PM
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Very well said. This is actually one of the best arguments I've heard against the big lick.

I'd like to your videos were excellent examples of a running walk.
Ack, bad sentence. Should read "I liked your videos, they were excellent examples of a running walk." For some reason it won't let me edit.
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post #28 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 08:39 PM
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I agree, the Big Lick is not a comfortable gait for either horse and rider, it is expensive to maintain a horse for the Big Lick. The Big Lick actually takes everything you would want in a TWH and subverts it. You cannot ride a padded up horse anywhere but in a groomed ring and then only a couple of rounds before they are blowing. What's the purpose to that? The TWH is supposed to be able to ride out all day long, in varied terrain, and have both horse and rider be comfortable. That is not what the padded horse is at all.
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post #29 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 09:51 PM
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I am a TWH owner that is the most awesome trail horse ever. I agree the big lick takes away everything a TWH is supposed to be
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post #30 of 45 Old 09-24-2013, 10:28 PM
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Okay, I'll go along with you that you can indeed produce a big lick horse without soring. But WHY do you want big lick??

Did you even look at the three videos I posted earlier in the thread? If those videos are examples of *correct* gait in the TWH why would you want something else? Big lick isn't natural, it's not normal, it's not something the horse does on its own. Big lick isn't useful; by that I mean you couldn't and wouldn't take a big lick horse out of the barn and use that gait to ride to the neighbors or to check a fence line.

You admit that you can't get big lick without shoes, pads and chains. So I'm puzzled as to why big lick is even desired. It's hard on the horse, I imagine it costs lots of money to pad and shoe the horse, so what's the deal? Is this really just a competition between human egos to see who can get the most outrageous movement?
Look... I am neither for nor against big lick. While I have no use for a padded horse, I have friends in the industry whom I trust and respect, so I just hate to hear them all lumped into the same pile of soring trainers. I did indeed watch your videos and they are certainly a better depiction of the TWH breed than a padded horse. However, I have said it on this forum before and will likely say it again....... folks striving for a "trait" within a breed that is harmful to the breed as a whole is not limited to the TWH or big lick...... I just get very tired of all the propaganda on the WWW, by folks who have no real idea of what's going on other than to "me too" or to reference BS YouTube trash that is about as reliable as wikipedia.....

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