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post #11 of 23 Old 07-03-2010, 08:09 PM
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Thank you CM, it was not pointed at you, and I see the same thing.

And No Gullierme, it was not sarcastic at all, I truly feel that the unnatural gaits forced on horses, even naturally giated ones, are absurd and cruel.

Ponyboy, natural racking is done in a collected frame that is not bad for the horse because it comes natural to the horse, that does not bother me. It is when the horses are forced into a hollow frame to perform an artificial rack that only causes discomfort and back pain if not done only in extremely short bursts, pretty much not at all.

IMO, if you have to force a horse into a hollow frame to reach a particular gait, you don't need to do it and if you do it anyway you don't need a horse, you need a car so you can jack it up all you want and it wont have back and hip pain its entire life.

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Sorry, but you just proved you don't understand the issue. As we've already said, a horse *cannot* rack in a collected frame.That includes without a rider - and yes, horses will do that hollow-framed rack even free in the pasture. You may be confusing the rack with another easy gait.

CloudsMystique - Sorry, to get back to your latest comment - I agree you can have a rack that is more balanced and slightly less hollow, but you can't have a rack that is truly collected. Does that clear it up?

Anyway, to get back to my original point - and this relates to what you're saying Honeysuga - I'm wondering why, if racking is so hard on the horse, we don't hear of more of them breaking down because of it? Maybe it's because we've finally reached a point where horses that rack naturally have the right conformation for it?
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post #13 of 23 Old 07-04-2010, 09:06 AM
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The rack is a lateral gait. Lateral gaits require a ventroflexed back. This is just equine biomechanics. This is not bad as long as the rider is smart enough to vary their gaits and allow the back muscles to work in more than one way.

In my time I've seen a number of "broken down" horses with very lateral gaits. Most were damaged by poor riding or husbandy practices. The breakdown includes back issues, joint issues, muscle atrophy, etc.

I agree that forcing a horse into a gait that is not native to it can and will cause issues. But it's equally true that any gaited horse can be moved some distance on the gait continuum without long term issues if the rider knows that they are doing. In that sense soft gaits are "malleable."

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post #14 of 23 Old 07-14-2010, 12:52 AM
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I'm a firm believe in teaching gaited horses to do everything you would teach a non-gaited horse to do. So many people take them on the trail and just gait, gait, gait, that the non-gaited horse world has started to view gaited horses as horses that can't do anything but gait in a straight line..........................................

..............Travelling in a hollow frame is bad for any horse - gaited or non-gaited. And any horse can travel in a hollow frame or a collected frame - gaited or non-gaited. It doesn't have anything to do with the rack.



I just thought this should get repeated.
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I guess some people will just believe what they want to believe not matter what...
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post #16 of 23 Old 07-20-2010, 10:34 PM
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What, racking is a destructive gait, like all artificial hollow gaits pretty much forced on gaited horses? Well yeah, that is common sense. Sure it doesnt cause TOOO much damage when done properly, but how many people take the time to actually prepare and condition their horses for it?

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post #17 of 23 Old 07-21-2010, 05:24 PM Thread Starter
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Guilherme can probably answer that better than I can, but I know Icelandic trainers to take into account. Young horses are not expected to tolt unless that is all they offer.
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post #18 of 23 Old 07-30-2010, 03:22 PM
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TWH after training for balance and collection: http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...m6919/jpeg.jpg

How do you get them to collect like the picture above? That is one of the most beautiful TWH I have ever seen that has been showing!
I have a Racking mare, she was doing hunter jumper, now Im having trouble getting her to gait again since she was not ridden like a gaited horse. She paces. Sorry to be off topic but if you have any ideas on what I can do to improve her movment please tell me.

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TWH's don't rack, they do a running walk. There is a difference. The rack is hollow-framed by definition. But yeah, that horse looks fabulous!
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post #20 of 23 Old 07-31-2010, 11:02 AM
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^^ if your referring to me Im pretty UTD on what TWH's do. I have a Registered Racking Horse Mare and she is a TWH both parents are TWH's!! So how do you explain that one??
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