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    03-23-2012, 11:38 AM
  #11
Weanling
That made a lot of sense. So... how would you start with a 14 year old gelding? He is well trained. (I got the GREATEST compliment about a month ago. I was told by one of the other boarders that he is the best trained horse she had ever met!) He gives to cues, works well off leg, light on the bit (unless his brains have fallen out then it is hang on for dear life). He can be ridden with just seat and leg cues at w/t/c.

Now, he is Western, but he also drives, so he understands direct rein also.

The way we get to his gait at a trot is when he wants to go and I say no. He offers it up as a compromise. He is not allowed to pull on me (I have a broken back) so his neck comes up he tucks his head and speeds up. I can keep him it in longer if I click at him to encourage him faster and occasionally tap him with my heals (which for him is a MAJOR correction). But he sweats up fast doing this. However, he is not going very fast, more like a decent trot in speed (not as fast as his working or extended trot).

Now, at the canter he has only done this at BAD times. He thought he saw a bear (it was a cow) and did this wonderfully smooth gait I had never ridden before all the way home. His neck was up, his head tucked to his chest (I wanted a slower speed) it was four beat and we made it three miles home in about 20 minutes.

He really is a good boy... he just has his days... sigh. HE is a Dork Fish.
     
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    03-23-2012, 02:12 PM
  #12
Weanling
Tbrantley, Thanks for all the info! I have a 3 year old started walker and I am wanting to show her. She has 4 WGC on her papers. Just not sure what way I want to go with her yet she is a TWH.
     
    03-23-2012, 05:11 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by yadlim    
That made a lot of sense. So... how would you start with a 14 year old gelding? He is well trained. (I got the GREATEST compliment about a month ago. I was told by one of the other boarders that he is the best trained horse she had ever met!) He gives to cues, works well off leg, light on the bit (unless his brains have fallen out then it is hang on for dear life). He can be ridden with just seat and leg cues at w/t/c.

Now, he is Western, but he also drives, so he understands direct rein also.

The way we get to his gait at a trot is when he wants to go and I say no. He offers it up as a compromise. He is not allowed to pull on me (I have a broken back) so his neck comes up he tucks his head and speeds up. I can keep him it in longer if I click at him to encourage him faster and occasionally tap him with my heals (which for him is a MAJOR correction). But he sweats up fast doing this. However, he is not going very fast, more like a decent trot in speed (not as fast as his working or extended trot).

Now, at the canter he has only done this at BAD times. He thought he saw a bear (it was a cow) and did this wonderfully smooth gait I had never ridden before all the way home. His neck was up, his head tucked to his chest (I wanted a slower speed) it was four beat and we made it three miles home in about 20 minutes.

He really is a good boy... he just has his days... sigh. HE is a Dork Fish.
That is a wonderful compliment for someone to tell you that your horse is the best trained horse they every met!!!! That is always what my goal is for my horses. Now, to the question that you asked how to train a 14 yr. Old. I am not sure if I understand exactly what the problem is. Is he rough and hard to get in his gait? It sounds like when he is motivated he can get right in and smooth gait. It might help if I had pictures and a little more information about exactly what it is you want him to be able to do. Are you wanting him to have a smooth canter, running walk or rack or all three?
What kind of shape is your horse in and how often and how long do you ride?

He sounds like a really nice horse!!!! Do you ride on trails, or in an arena? I have not had much experience training order horses. I am re- training a seven year old now and it has been a challenge to re-teach him to do things differently. Thank goodness this horse wants to please, and is very respectful. It is taking a lot of wet blankets and being consistant and patient. I enjoy training horses, especially when they are a challenge as long as they are not crazy. Give me a little more information, and I will try to help you.
     
    03-23-2012, 05:20 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Wallee    
tbrantley, Thanks for all the info! I have a 3 year old started walker and I am wanting to show her. She has 4 WGC on her papers. Just not sure what way I want to go with her yet she is a TWH.

I wish you the best with her. Keep us posted what you decide to do. She is at a great age to develop her in any area. Does she have an area or
discipline that she seems to stand out it or that you enjoy doing more than another? Sometimes a horses conformation helps me to decide. What is some of the WGC on her papers, I was wondering if I recognized any?

Again, wish you the best of luck and have fun while you are training her to be a blue ribbon show horse in what ever area you decide.

TBrantley
     
    03-23-2012, 05:42 PM
  #15
Weanling
I will have to look on her papers tonight and fill you in on all the WGC's names but I think off the top of my head Pusher was the name of one of them. I am new to the gaited world so I will have to read up and I have a trainer friend I am going to work with on getting into the shows. I have been training horses for 7 years now and I have made several good trail/roping horses. But the whole gaited thing is new and will be fun to learn about! As for the way I am going to go with her... I am not sure ha ha trainer friend going to throw their 2 cents on which way to go. I wanna do the speed racking don't know if the horse will or not yet.
     
    03-23-2012, 06:35 PM
  #16
Weanling
Hehehe - yeah, information on what I want to do might help!!

We mostly ride trails - but the last couple of months my health has been lousy so he has been mostly sitting. I do have a nice sized indoor arena to work in - which is where we do most of our witer riding (Pacific Northwest - where it rains 300 days a year. We ride in the rain only if the temp is over 50 degrees!)

What I would like to do is to turn his slow 'rack' into the faster one seen at shows. He is not easy to get into his gait, and drops out of it at the drop of a hat. So I would like to condition him to stay in his gait - we usually ride alone so there is no issue with others not keeping up. I would like to be able to cue that smooth canter also. Right now he only does it when he is is trouble and trying to bolt. He can be a butt to get into his gait unless the horses around him get riled up.

Right now, he is, um... fluffy. But still in good enough shape to take my 20 year old daughter out for a 45 minute warm up gallop down the road and then jig all the way to the arena for me to walk him down.

I will be going out tomorrow and will make sure to bring the camera and get some video of what I think is his rack. Both my daugther and I can get him into it.

Oh, and I have to add that other than a brief stint in 4H ten years ago, he is NOT a show horse nor will he be goign to shows. He is just for my sanity release from reality.

THANKS
     
    03-23-2012, 06:47 PM
  #17
Weanling
This is the respond to Wallee's "I wanna do the speed racking don't know if the horse will or not yet."


I enjoy the racking gait the most right now, because I have two outstanding racking horses. They love to do it as much as I do. They are very competetive, I have to be very careful not to rack them all the time. It is hard on them physically and if your not careful you can ruin a good horse. I don't want them to think that everytime I get on them that they have to go into a speed rack. Just keep in mind that if you speed rack one to show that may be all you can use that horse for.... I am not saying everytime but if you are going to show her speed racking very often, they sometimes become very hot horses and are hard to just trail ride. Just be aware and be careful. I have done both on mine successfully but I have a lot of experience at it so I am very careful. Around my area my husband and I have a reputation for riding speed racking horses. Then when we ride the same horses on trails with quarter horses people, they think we are riding different horses because of how calm the horses are and relaxed in the running walk. Yet, if we click to them they are eager to show off their speed and smooth rack. I just love it!!!!!!!
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    03-23-2012, 07:11 PM
  #18
Weanling
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Originally Posted by yadlim    
Hehehe - yeah, information on what I want to do might help!!

We mostly ride trails - but the last couple of months my health has been lousy so he has been mostly sitting. I do have a nice sized indoor arena to work in - which is where we do most of our witer riding (Pacific Northwest - where it rains 300 days a year. We ride in the rain only if the temp is over 50 degrees!)

What I would like to do is to turn his slow 'rack' into the faster one seen at shows. He is not easy to get into his gait, and drops out of it at the drop of a hat. So I would like to condition him to stay in his gait - we usually ride alone so there is no issue with others not keeping up. I would like to be able to cue that smooth canter also. Right now he only does it when he is is trouble and trying to bolt. He can be a butt to get into his gait unless the horses around him get riled up.

Right now, he is, um... fluffy. But still in good enough shape to take my 20 year old daughter out for a 45 minute warm up gallop down the road and then jig all the way to the arena for me to walk him down.

I will be going out tomorrow and will make sure to bring the camera and get some video of what I think is his rack. Both my daugther and I can get him into it.

Oh, and I have to add that other than a brief stint in 4H ten years ago, he is NOT a show horse nor will he be goign to shows. He is just for my sanity release from reality.

THANKS
I would follow the steps that I had mention earlier teaching the horse to rack. Use his slow rack and build from it. What I mean is keep him in that slow rack for as long as he is doing it correctly. As he builds muscle and gets in condition he will be able to go faster and stay in it longer just always make sure he is doing it correctly. You can go on utube and find different video's on speed racking horses, find one that you like and watch how they are doing it. Read everything that you can find on how to develop the speed rack. Then go out and try it. Mostly just enjoy your horse and make sure saddle and everything fits correctly so that he will not have any physical barriers to keep him from performing the speed rack. Keep in mind that the comformation of the gaited horse makes a difference, not all gaited horses can do the speed rack gait. I have put some more information on another thread about the comformation of the gaited horse and how to get him to speed rack. Let me know if you would like that information and I will send it to you.

I can talk all day about gaited horses and what I call the perfect ride!!!!lol
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    03-24-2012, 12:07 AM
  #19
Green Broke
If you are interested in "speed racking" as I think you are? That is extremely hard on the horse, not just on their joints and muscles but on their minds too.

The whole purpose of a horse that will gait, is for a nice smooth ride, not to push the horse until it is exhausted. I've seen horses ruined by "speed racking" and can not understand why anyone would want to do it.

Not much difference between the way those horses are done, and the Big Lick horses. Just cruel, and unnecessary.
     
    03-24-2012, 09:58 AM
  #20
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Palomine    
If you are interested in "speed racking" as I think you are? That is extremely hard on the horse, not just on their joints and muscles but on their minds too.

The whole purpose of a horse that will gait, is for a nice smooth ride, not to push the horse until it is exhausted. I've seen horses ruined by "speed racking" and can not understand why anyone would want to do it.

Not much difference between the way those horses are done, and the Big Lick horses. Just cruel, and unnecessary.

If my horse will rack barefoot and be eager to do it.... what is wrong with it? I have seen barefoot racking... I by all means am against big lick but I don't see much wrong with racking and TWH are not the only ones out there racking there is the icelandic horses who do it beautifully. And several other breeds.
     

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