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post #21 of 26 Old 07-16-2012, 10:45 AM
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I don't know if this horse even qualifies as average, all the videos I've seen of him he seems to be pacey. Or sometimes it seems he's trying to rack, his gait is very inconsistent.

And the Jacksons do have one heck of a campaign going. They even have a link to one of his dressage demos here. Three Phase Event, Horse Competion Based on Equine Versatility

It's unfortunate that he's being promoted as a great walker, people who don't know much about gaits are going to believe that that's how a walker should move. Or worse, breed to him. The last thing TWH's need are more pacy horses.

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The Jacksons have been pushing Watchout for many years. He's a nice enough horse but is pretty average. None of his get have demonstrated any real excellence in anything.

The Jasksons, themselves, are interesting folks. But, like many interesting people, have many sides.

The '99 Celebration entry was a publicity stunt. It's an open question whether is was well done or not. In any event it had exactly zero impact on either the Celebration or the discussions about the BL or Sore Lick. Indeed, an argument can be made that the way it was done caused problems for others trying to start a reasoned discussion of the whole thing.

Not everything is always what it seems to be.

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post #22 of 26 Old 07-16-2012, 01:07 PM
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Much nicer! Can't even stand to look at the Big Lick Walkers of today..... Breaks my heart to watch them. Thanks for sharing these photos..... Maybe some of the Big Lick horse owners will see these and see how much more beautiful and happy thes horses are...
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I don't know if this horse even qualifies as average, all the videos I've seen of him he seems to be pacey. Or sometimes it seems he's trying to rack, his gait is very inconsistent.

And the Jacksons do have one heck of a campaign going. They even have a link to one of his dressage demos here. Three Phase Event, Horse Competion Based on Equine Versatility

It's unfortunate that he's being promoted as a great walker, people who don't know much about gaits are going to believe that that's how a walker should move. Or worse, breed to him. The last thing TWH's need are more pacy horses.
The average Walker today does a gait skewed to the pace side of the gait continuum. It's been that way for decades. Very few Walker owners would recognize the running walk either visually or from the saddle. So calling Watchout "average" is both accurate and a ****ing comment on 50 years of breeding practices.

It's truly sad that a breed with such a long tradition has been "flushed" by its modern caretakers.

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post #24 of 26 Old 07-19-2012, 07:10 PM
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Go Boy's Shadow

My wife's grandfather was E.H. Padgett who along with Winston Wiser owned Go Boy's Shadow & in 55 & 56 won the celebration.

By that time were all big lick horses sored or did the practice start earlier or later.
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post #25 of 26 Old 07-19-2012, 07:33 PM
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I have been told that there is a Plantation bred TWH , which is left to move natural ? And they are the heavier bred horses. I prefer a bigger boned heavy horse than to the super fine boned horse, even though the little boned horses are very typey and halter horse pretty ;)
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post #26 of 26 Old 07-23-2012, 11:09 AM
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I see what you mean. I considered his gait below average because it is so inconsistent, it switches from a pace, to a stepping pace, sometimes a rack. But that could be the fault of the rider, the dressage person they have on him probably doesn't know anything about gaited horses.

You're not kidding about walker owners not being able to recognize a running walk. I started out riding hunters/equitation, but when I wanted a trail horse I decided to put gaited horses on the list of breeds to look at. Since I knew nothing about gaiting, I made a list of videos, good and bad gaits, and would eat breakfast each morning and go through the videos. After awhile you start to see the differences. But when I went to look at gaited horses I thought everyone was lying to me, the horses were never doing the gaits they said they were doing (mostly pacing/step pacing). It finally dawned on me that most gaited people simply didn't know anything. And it's not just the Walkers, the Fox Trotters are also breeding the smooth gait out of the horse. They're doing more of a "slick trot" than a fox trot these days. Rode several very bouncy fox trotters who had lots of ribbons in the show ring, and the owners insisted that they were doing a great fox trot. Lol They got pretty upset when I started posting.


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The average Walker today does a gait skewed to the pace side of the gait continuum. It's been that way for decades. Very few Walker owners would recognize the running walk either visually or from the saddle. So calling Watchout "average" is both accurate and a ****ing comment on 50 years of breeding practices.

It's truly sad that a breed with such a long tradition has been "flushed" by its modern caretakers.

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