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        06-25-2009, 06:37 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Zab    
    I just want some help to decide wether to keep working on getting the trot or to skip trotting and work only with the gait :P

    I know about the first picture, it's the first picture of his gait I got at all and that saddle is horrible to ride in. It's a jumping saddle.. It's also one of the first times we were doing anything faster than a regular walk and he was less than green broke at the time, so of course he wasn't collected. Just wanted to show that he is indeed racking/gaiting and not just pacing (it might be a tad on the pacey side there but I'm pretty sure it's rack. At least it is clearly fourbeat). Lots of people keep claiming he can only do the stepping pace if anything since he's a standie. :) And no, he was pretty smooth, but not as smooth as in that perfect, heavenly gait I keep talking about but can't prove yet :) (He did it again today I just love that feeling, like floating uphill.. he has a high headset there too but an arched neck and a less poking nose, also on a slack rein..but afterwards he got tired and just paced/step paced, so we walked the rest of the way)

    And the other pictures are much more recent, so he, and I, have learnt to collect better :) But you say the second picture is more lateral than diagonal? I know it's not a trot but I believed it was a too diagonal runwalk/flat walk/something, I definetly guessed on a diagonal/''trotty'' problem with it... It's definetly not a regular walk (the kind all horses, including non-gaited, do), too fast, smooth and his tail never get those waves in regular walk. There's a clear breaking point from the normal walk to this, but I suppose that's hard to see on a photo..

    Yes, I tried trotting there.. it's not his best trot since we fought most of that session and that saddle really hates me (it's the same as in the first picture, I can't sit properly in it) but it's decent. I'm just not sure I'll keep trying to trot him since it's to much of a hassle to teach him to trot when I want trot and gait when I want gait.. and I don't really like trotting. It's just that people claim that ALL horses need to trot.. :S

    Thanks for the input, I mostly showed the pictures to show that he does gait, and trot as well.. and of course I like getting critique and comments on his gait by people who know more about gaited horses (other than icelandics) and I wished I could see myself how things look and how the gait should look.
    Can you say anything about the very last picture, the one in the separate post? :)

    I'm still trying to find people that can film us.. >< He's definetly gaiting, I'm just not sure exactly what gait, or if there's anything undesireable in it/them. And I know he ixes and messes the gait up at times.. I try to listen to the beat when I'm gaitin, and when it sounds as even as possible, after what I can hear, I expect it to be right, and then I go after feeling to judge if he's carrying himself.. that's much easier x)

    And about the bits, he has been started bitless, had curbs+bitless cavessons, hackamores+cavessons, only cavessons and only a snaffle. The second picture is the only one where he ever was ridden with just a curb. So he has been worked in most types of bits. And he behaves pretty much the same on all of them.
    Today when I got that lovely ''up-hill feeling'' gait, he had a hackamore-sidepull combination.
    ^^ If you don't like his trot then work on his gait. It's easy to ride, especially on long trail rides. Trotting just gives you a sore butt. I don't care what people say about the trotting..Gaited horses do not NEED to trot. There is absolutely no reason to. It puts you in danger of losing the gait, and is just plain irritating when you are expecting the gait. Of course, horses are going to do it at liberty but that is different.
    About the second picture: It looks like either a walk or gait, but it dosen't look like an absolute pace. Notice on that same side, one leg is off the ground and one is on. That is not a pace. A pace usually has both feet off or both feet on.
    Cantering a gaited horse is suppose to actually help the gait but I wouldn't reccommend it unless your horse has good gait control. (meaning he won't get into a habit of cantering all the time)
         
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        06-25-2009, 07:47 PM
      #12
    Zab
    Yearling
    I'm not sure you understand me completely :)
    I didn't say it was a pace (a somewhat clean pace is easy to distinguish even for me) but you said that if anything was wrong with it, it was pacey/lateral.. while I had thought it was too diagonal. But I might very well be wrong about that. And he IS gaiting, I just don't know what gait it is he's doing, or if anything's wrong with it.. :3 I know it's not a regular walk, that's all.

    Thanks, it's nice hearing something different than the rugular bashing for not trotting him enough x) I doubt he'll ever loose his gait, but I am annoyed with him breaking the gait he's in at the moment, really annoying. Or start trotting when I don't expect it.. So I'll just not trot him anymore..

    And yeah, gaiting is way more comfy :P Pretty much all I do is trailriding, I was out on a 3 hours trail ride yesterday ;) Gaiting, cantering, jumping and getting lost and ending up in someones pasture somehow.. we had to open a gate and then jump a two feet stonewall from standing still (no place to move), me bareback and my trainer without stirrups and a twisted ankle.. :P

    His only problem is that he changes between trot and gait sometimes, and coming down from a canter he sometimes trots. That and that I don't know exactly what gait he is doing, I just listen and try to encourage him when I hear it's an even fourbeat and I feel his back is raised and he's balanced.. But he doesn't change from walk to gait/trot or from canter and so without I'm asking him. It's just the gait and trot he's confused about. :)

    So now on I'm only working in walk, gait and canter.. I'll try to encourage collection and steady fourbeat in the gait, and discourage pacing and especially trot (the pacing comes when he's tired, mostly, so it's just to give him a rest before he gets there :)

    And my problem is that I don't know what gait he does, or if it's lateral, diagonal or perfect... as I said I just listen to the beat, and then I try to feel if he's collected, and feel if he's swinging sideways or if he's just moving evenly forward.. :/ But I have no one here to help me look, tell me how to ride or what it should feel like. I mean, for crying out loud.. the only gaits acceptable in this lousy country is pure tölt, pure two beat pace, walk, canter and trot. And the tölt has to be the same all the time, same speed, same over-reach with the hindlegs, perfect 4 beat etc.. a ''foxtrot'', ''stepping pace'', ''flatwalk'' etc would just be a very, very bad tölt.. besides, only icelandic horses are allowed to tölt or pace.
    I guess that's why I write so much here, I miss having someone to chat with about it, that is interested and doesn't hate me for gaiting my horse. :/
         
        06-25-2009, 08:12 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zab    
    I'm not sure you understand me completely :)
    I didn't say it was a pace (a somewhat clean pace is easy to distinguish even for me) but you said that if anything was wrong with it, it was pacey/lateral.. while I had thought it was too diagonal. But I might very well be wrong about that. And he IS gaiting, I just don't know what gait it is he's doing, or if anything's wrong with it.. :3 I know it's not a regular walk, that's all.

    Thanks, it's nice hearing something different than the rugular bashing for not trotting him enough x) I doubt he'll ever loose his gait, but I am annoyed with him breaking the gait he's in at the moment, really annoying. Or start trotting when I don't expect it.. So I'll just not trot him anymore..

    And yeah, gaiting is way more comfy :P Pretty much all I do is trailriding, I was out on a 3 hours trail ride yesterday ;) Gaiting, cantering, jumping and getting lost and ending up in someones pasture somehow.. we had to open a gate and then jump a two feet stonewall from standing still (no place to move), me bareback and my trainer without stirrups and a twisted ankle.. :P

    His only problem is that he changes between trot and gait sometimes, and coming down from a canter he sometimes trots. That and that I don't know exactly what gait he is doing, I just listen and try to encourage him when I hear it's an even fourbeat and I feel his back is raised and he's balanced.. But he doesn't change from walk to gait/trot or from canter and so without I'm asking him. It's just the gait and trot he's confused about. :)

    So now on I'm only working in walk, gait and canter.. I'll try to encourage collection and steady fourbeat in the gait, and discourage pacing and especially trot (the pacing comes when he's tired, mostly, so it's just to give him a rest before he gets there :)

    And my problem is that I don't know what gait he does, or if it's lateral, diagonal or perfect... as I said I just listen to the beat, and then I try to feel if he's collected, and feel if he's swinging sideways or if he's just moving evenly forward.. :/ But I have no one here to help me look, tell me how to ride or what it should feel like. I mean, for crying out loud.. the only gaits acceptable in this lousy country is pure tölt, pure two beat pace, walk, canter and trot. And the tölt has to be the same all the time, same speed, same over-reach with the hindlegs, perfect 4 beat etc.. a ''foxtrot'', ''stepping pace'', ''flatwalk'' etc would just be a very, very bad tölt.. besides, only icelandic horses are allowed to tölt or pace.
    I guess that's why I write so much here, I miss having someone to chat with about it, that is interested and doesn't hate me for gaiting my horse. :/
    ^^ Wowo. I'm so suprised to hear someone that actually appreciates what I have to say and take it to heart! I'm purely shocked! Hahah..Def a good idea to get rid of that trot altogether..There's absolutely nothing good about it..Sure, it might build muscle but so does the gait for cryin out loud! Ha. It's pretty normal for a gaited horse (or really any horse) to falter going from a canter to a gait/trot. I would just work on a nice deep seat and collection. Hearing for the hoof beats is a good idea, but it IS pretty easy to tell if they're gaiting or not; one's bouncy one is not:)
    Well, I'll chat with you as much as I can--It's really nice hearing from a gaited person that accepts other's opinions and is easy to talk with and is willing to learn:)
         
        06-25-2009, 08:38 PM
      #14
    Zab
    Yearling
    *lmao* :P
    He does slow down very nicely, but sometimes he trots instead of gaiting when I come from a canter..I hate it xD Makes me hesitant to cantering since I'm afraid if I'll get a nice downward transision or if he'll pull his head to the ground and trot all bouncily xD :P Especially now when I'm bareback :P

    It's not that easy.. I want a GOOD gait, a strong, carrying one.. I of course know if he's trotting or gaiting, but I want rack, running walk or something wih a good fourbeat and balance, but if I'm not careful I'll get a stepping pace. Which is extremely smooth, but wears on him too much :3
    ^__^I think we can all learn from each other. :) Just voicing ideas is a good way to find stuff out :P
         
        06-25-2009, 10:02 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Yep, your right ;)
         

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