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  • Can a rocky mountain horse be registered if they are not 14.2 hand tall?

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    09-07-2011, 02:34 PM
  #11
Yearling
Well, I'd be hard put to say which is an off-shoot of which,lol. I know the KMSH registry started in 89 and the RMH started in 86. I believe the mare books are still open and accepting horses of other bloodlines in KMSH while RMH closed the grade books in 07, but that definitely isn't necessarily a bad thing, genetic diversity is good. Really, if you go to both association web sites and read the origins they're virtually identical. I'd be very curious to find out why there are so many Mountain Horse registries since they are all pretty much the same horse and so many horses are registered with all at the same time.
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    09-07-2011, 03:30 PM
  #12
Foal
They are a beautiful looking breed x
     
    09-07-2011, 06:43 PM
  #13
Weanling
I am happy the RMH closed the books to grade horses. The KMSHA is getting too many 15.3 to 16 hand horses. Rockies and Kentucky mountains were bred to be smaller in order to travel the hills and fit under tree branches. I am also seeing some grade mares allowed into their registry that are used for broodmares and don't gait a lick. I don't find much desirable in that.
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    09-08-2011, 09:18 AM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Macslady    
The KMSHA is getting too many 15.3 to 16 hand horses. Rockies and Kentucky mountains were bred to be smaller in order to travel the hills and fit under tree branches. I am also seeing some grade mares allowed into their registry that are used for broodmares and don't gait a lick. I don't find much desirable in that.

That's a good point, if people really stuck to the breed standard when allowing grade mares in it wouldn't be as much of an issue but there are a lot of people that sneak things under the radar. The RMH association can be a huge pain to deal with but they do stick to their guns.

I smile every time I'm on a trail ride and all I have to do is lean down on Jack's neck to get under a fallen tree or branch and my boyfriend about gets brushed off of his 16hh+ QH/elephant. It's also nice that he takes out all of the spider webs,lol.
     
    09-08-2011, 08:39 PM
  #15
Weanling
100% agree about the spider webs, love the tall horses for that
     
    09-12-2011, 09:23 AM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
RMH's are an offshoot of the Kentucky Mountain Horse.
I'm sorry but this is completly incorrect...The Rocky Mountain Horse Association was founded in 1986, which was before Jr. Robinson started the KMSHA in 1989. The KMSHA started basically on the standards that the RMHA wouldnt allow a horse under 14.2 to be certified, several of the old horses were not this tall, Smith's Ginger an excellent producer in the RMHA wasn't even 14hh...so no the RMHA is not an offshoot of KMSHA, they came first, nothing against KMSHA all our horses are Double Reg. RMHA/KMSHA and I show KMSHA but the fact of the matter is RMHA came first, they are the BREED, KMSHA is just an association registry, same as AGMH/UMH.

Nate
     
    09-12-2011, 02:31 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Hccumminssmoke, I don't own stock in either, soooo I guess I don't really care!! TOTALLY LOL!!!
ALL I know is that the man I bought my mare from told me what breed she was, then rattled off famous breed names to me, to which I had never heard of any. (Now if he was talking TB's I would have recognized some famous names.) HE told me that the breed originated in the late 1700's in Colonial America.
I bought my gelding (big head...left) from a KMHSA breeder a few hours north of me, in Northern Illinois, near the Wisconsin border. They are small breeders who specialize in pleasure KMSHA horses. They also generally breed from one or two studs. I have been told by several KMHSA and RMH owners over the past few years that the breed numbers are low--so did "Warren's Cindy"'s, the owner of my 15'2hh mare--and I have discovered that some KMSHA breeders have bred TWH back in to increase the numbers, enlargen the gene pool and still keep the amble. I am sure that MY gelding, at 16'3hh, is an anomaly to the breed because he is much taller, MUCH leggier, and generally reminds ME of a TWH, since TWH's have Percheron way back in their pedigree. (Hence the height and bone structure.)
I guess we could also quibble about QH's. THEY were first bred in the Colonies but it wasn't until "Wimpy" in 1940 that somebody bothered to start a breed registry.
I think what happened was an increased interested in gaited pleasure horses over the last several decades in America. Many older riders (now 53yo), like me, have been riding for a long time and now want a more comfortable ride. Older gaited breeds are being rediscovered, and people want to know where they come from. Heck, I rode my KMHSA mare yesterday in my English saddle sans strirrups. She'll amble for MILES.
Doesn't matter much to me WHERE they originated. I'm just happy that they did. =D
BTW, IF the moderators don't mind, I'd like to post the website where we bought him--
Appleridge Mountain Horses by Bill & Deb Dietz
I would definitely buy from them again! If anybody is looking for a good trail riding horse, you might contact them. They have a blue roan mare for sale that doubled in price after they finished her--worth it, too. I saw her 2 years ago, and she was a real looker.
     
    09-12-2011, 03:57 PM
  #18
Weanling
You seemed rather bold in your first statement that the RMH are an "offshoot" of the KMH, and now you say you really don't care, I was just simply stateing the facts because there are several potential buyers and owners that do not know the difference. Never hurts to correct false information with fact. As for your seller saying the were around in the 1700 colonies, I can say I've never heard that, the story seems to be tried and true on how the breed started and how it got to where it is today, and it always starts with Spout Springs in Estill County, KY.

Nate
     
    09-12-2011, 05:01 PM
  #19
Weanling
I am not trying to be snotty in any way, and I didn't speak up when I saw the typo about RMHA being an offshoot of KMSHA. Thank you for clarifying that hccumminssmoke. I just needed someone who knows the correct history as I didn't know any date of organization for the different breeds.

I know the people Corporal speaks of and they are very nice people, in fact we have purchased from them and they are as honest as the day is long. There is nothing and I repeat nothing wrong with KMSHA. They are however similar to the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) in the US. If anyone is unfamiliar with Continental Kennel Club they are basically a dog registry that allows you to register your purebred dogs (pets) that the AKC (American Kennel Club) won't allow. They have games and fun for your dog to win points with, but they don't do confirmation to better the breed. My Chinese Crested powderpuff more resembled a Maltese. I found that out the hard way after I purchased her as a registered CKC dog. AKC wouldn't accept her as she didn't have a pedigree lineage.

I think this will put the KMSHA registry into perspective when I explain my registering a grade mare I had acquired. All I had to do was take pictures, pull some mane and tail hairs for DNA and wal-lah I had a registered Kentucky Mountain mare who didn't and never did gait a lick. But it sure sold her, even though I let the new owner know she didn't gait. But she was the right color - chocolate. I don't think that would happen in the RMHA. Yes, I know they would never have certified her to breed, but would that stop any backyard breeder??

I am not a breed snob, but I do appreciate the organizations that try to keep the special things that keep that breed apart from others.
     
    09-14-2011, 05:14 PM
  #20
Foal
I have two RMH mares, 5 and 6 years old. Both are silver dapples and about as beautiful as any horses can be. The older one is my wife's horse. My wife has only been on a horse, any horse, about 5 times. I got the Rockies because of their beauty and their reputation for being so good with people and so gentle and responsive. My wife's horse is all of that. She gets a little pissy when I ride her, but she is as gentle and caring as could be with my wife. She is a woman's horse all the way. There is no doubt about it.

The other one, the 5 year old is the prettier horse, which probably saved her life. I took her and my other TWH on a week long ride a few weeks ago. I had ridden her over a dozen times before but not for a couple of months before this ride. I saddled her up the second day of the ride and climbed up. She went to bucking like the best of saddle broncs at any rodeo. I went off after about the second buck. I cowboy'ed up and climbed back on. This time the observers said I stayed on for about 7 1/2 seconds not quite enough time to get a score.

So much for a quiet and gentle temperament.

I know there were things I did wrong, so it wasn't all her fault and we've been working through all of the issues since that time. I'm still hoping she'll turn out to be a good horse, but, like all horse breeds, RMHs can have their dark side as well.

Every individual horse, regardless of the breed, has it's own personality and issues. And thus every horse needs to be dealt with as an individual. I feel that saying all horses of any breed are a certain way is making a huge mistake. But that's just me....
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