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    07-20-2013, 03:18 PM
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So- I just went to the Denver Queen City Horse Show last night. It was a disappointment! I show Arabians, there was not a single one there. They were all Peruvians and Saddlebreds. My old trainer was there, and I realized why I stopped riding saddlebreds. The stacked shoes, the gingering, the tail sets etc. It's all so cruel! Double bridles are ok to a point. Bike chain bits? Is that really necessary? I absolutley hate the way they treat the horses and I think it should not be allowed....
     
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    07-20-2013, 03:24 PM
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There is cruelty in every sport. All of them. Some more than others but not ONE discipline is cruelty free. That's no reason to stop riding saddlebreds, unless you're one of the people who would be doing that!

It's just like TW Horses. I wouldn't refuse to ride one because people sometimes use cruel methods to get them to step. That seems silly.

Bicycle chain bits are horrendous. I cannot fathom why someone would want to use one. At one of my old barns there was a horse someone bought. Her last owner had used a bike chain bit, and you could see the scars at the corners of her mouth. She was ridden in a hackamore after that and went beautifully (and became absolutely terrified of any and all bits - When I left she was still working on getting her to accept one.)

I like saddlebreds, but I wouldn't show them. I just like their smooth step, I think it looks nice when it's not overdone.
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    07-20-2013, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Horseluver65    
So- I just went to the Denver Queen City Horse Show last night. It was a disappointment! I show Arabians, there was not a single one there. They were all Peruvians and Saddlebreds. My old trainer was there, and I realized why I stopped riding saddlebreds. The stacked shoes, the gingering, the tail sets etc. It's all so cruel! Double bridles are ok to a point. Bike chain bits? Is that really necessary? I absolutley hate the way they treat the horses and I think it should not be allowed....
Gingering has been outlawed for several years at the very least.

And many Saddlebreds wear very little more than a keg shoe, the good ones go light is an old saying and very apt.

As for "stacked shoes"...if you are talking about the leather pads, those are not stacked shoes.

Tail sets are no more cruel than blankets, saddles or anything else.

Adjusted properly, horse is just fine with them.

As for the double bridle, there is nothing wrong with that either. Both bits have a specific use, and instructors from other disciplines for years have had their students come learn to ride 5 Gaited horses to give them better hands. Which it does.

And the mule bit, or bicycle chain as you call it, is used to get a horse to settle into rack and used lightly at that. No more force than it takes you to hit enter with your little finger, if you know how to keyboard correctly. And again is used to get one to settle into rack, by lightly shaking the head.

Should not be used in the show ring, as throws horses off at trot.

All bits can leave marks on horse if used incorrectly. I've seen smooth snaffles do that.

By and large, I would venture to guess that Saddlebreds are the best taken care of breed there is. These horses are much loved, and have long lives due to that care.
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    07-20-2013, 05:11 PM
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Wow, what's with the Saddlebred haters? Is there an international holiday we missed?
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    07-20-2013, 08:27 PM
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I never said I hate Saddlebreds... I just don't like the way they are treated.... And in my opinion- after being with arabians- they are ugly.... There are some that are nicer than others but.... As for the tail sets, they are way more cruel than a saddle or blanket- the fact that the muscle is cut and scarred to heal that way is ridiculous... And their lifespan is much shorter because their legs and joints are blown by the time they are 10. Swayback is also an issue because that is not the natural carriage of their head. Stacked shoes can weigh alot and it's not good for their legs. Trust me, I've assisted many farriers. Gingering is not illegal where I Live, it's only certain breeds where it's not allowed(like arabians). A bike chain bit is one of the worst bits to put in horse's mouth... if you HAVE to use one- A: You don't know what your doing B: The trainer doesn't know s***. C: Your horse has not been trained very well.... Any horse will do anything without the cruelty of a bit if you or trainer know how to train them..... I hate when people don't know what their doing so they shove a nastier bit in the horses mouth to solve the issue... yes, a snaffle may do that but again, if it was used properly-it wouldn't.... Again, this is just my opinion, YOU can think whatever you want but I think everything in this sport is wrong. If you have a saddlebred just to have one and you don't do all the other stuff, it's different... .
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    07-21-2013, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Horseluver65    
I never said I hate Saddlebreds... I just don't like the way they are treated.... And in my opinion- after being with arabians- they are ugly.... .
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    07-21-2013, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Horseluver65    
So- I just went to the Denver Queen City Horse Show last night. It was a disappointment! I show Arabians, there was not a single one there. They were all Peruvians and Saddlebreds.
Maybe there were no Arabians at this show because there were NO Arabian classes. I just looked at the Premium book and this show was for Saddlebreds and Peruvians ONLY.

Denver Queen City

You might want to try looking online for the show premium to see just what classes are being held at a show before you go. I know you were "disappointed" but that's not a reason to start a thread just so you can bash another breed.
     
    07-21-2013, 10:04 AM
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Ummm "Bashing the breed" has nothing to do with my arabians.... And they didn't have any arab classes because there were none registered. That has ALWAYS been the show we go to...
     
    07-21-2013, 12:33 PM
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Wow, what's with the Saddlebred haters? Is there an international holiday we missed?
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Oh, yes. It is like a phase of the moon. Once one goes up, another or three come soon after.. Then the posters go away or find something else to fuss about. I have been here since 2008. These types of threads usually pop up one after another. I am expecting one or two more to be posted within this next week. Keep an eye on the Riding and English Riding sections.

I do find it funny THIS topic was what a brand new member would decide to post. "Hi! I am new to the forum! How about them Saddlebreds. Gosh they aren't as pretty as other horses, and every single one of them is tortured and abused. I know because I showed in one barn years ago, and went to a handful of shows. My sample size is valid. Oh boy! This is a great way to introduce myself to the forum! People will love me!"

Sarcastic fussing rant out of the way, WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

If you are looking for horse shows try Horse Shows - Horse Show Central . You can search by breed and by location. It is a GREAT site.

I just want to address a few points, before I spend the time to go through your posts(not for you. Chances are your mind is made up. My responses to correct your poor information is for those who might be reading who might be inclined to think that your knowledge represents the whole).

In regards to show horses not having a very long lifespan, or being ruined, or whatever you said.

This horse never had a lame day in his life. He lived to around 30. He was gaited, he was shown, he was a breeding horse. He wasn't a good breeding horse, so he was gelded, and turned into a youth show horse/lesson horse.


THIS tough sister lived to 31. She didn't want to go then.



One of my friend's three gaited horses was still getting blue ribbons in big classes with her horse, who she retired from the show ring last year at the big age of 21. He still frets when the trailer leaves without him. I would post pictures, but I haven't asked permission.

William Shatner's fine harness horse "Call Me Ringo" has had a show career of 15 years(longer if you count his futurity classes), AND has been a greatly successful breeding horse.

There are many more examples, but those will do for now. Give me a little while and I will have a more expansive response.
     
    07-21-2013, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Horseluver65    
Ummm "Bashing the breed" has nothing to do with my arabians.... And they didn't have any arab classes because there were none registered. That has ALWAYS been the show we go to...
So you are upset because the Saddlebreds took the place of the arabians at your show? Perhaps that the saddlebreds were more popular? That seems odd to me considering your location. Colorado isn't necessarily the HUB of Saddlebred shows. However, doing a quick ASHA barn search, I am surprised to find around 16 Saddlebred farms in the state. Not many compared to other states, but more than most. I won't tell my boyfriend. He wants to move to CO, and I don't because of a lack of Saddlebreds.

Shows change focus. The only real way to make sure it ALWAYS has what you are looking for is to be involved. Go to the board meetings, write the directors, call, make your voice heard. Heck, even put forth money to sponsor classes. Money always talks louder than words.

It is not the fault of the American Saddlebred that your classes were removed. It was likely due to poor attendance from the Arabian Exhibitors. A show would never remove wildly popular classes.
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