I never said I hate Saddlebreds... I just don't like the way they are treated.... And in my opinion- after being with arabians- they are ugly.... There are some that are nicer than others but.... As for the tail sets, they are way more cruel than a saddle or blanket- the fact that the muscle is cut and scarred to heal that way is ridiculous... And their lifespan is much shorter because their legs and joints are blown by the time they are 10. Swayback is also an issue because that is not the natural carriage of their head. Stacked shoes can weigh alot and it's not good for their legs. Trust me, I've assisted many farriers. Gingering is not illegal where I Live, it's only certain breeds where it's not allowed(like arabians). A bike chain bit is one of the worst bits to put in horse's mouth... if you HAVE to use one- A: You don't know what your doing B: The trainer doesn't know s***. C: Your horse has not been trained very well.... Any horse will do anything without the cruelty of a bit if you or trainer know how to train them..... I hate when people don't know what their doing so they shove a nastier bit in the horses mouth to solve the issue... yes, a snaffle may do that but again, if it was used properly-it wouldn't.... Again, this is just my opinion, YOU can think whatever you want but I think everything in this sport is wrong. If you have a saddlebred just to have one and you dont do all the other stuff, it's different... .
Gingering is against the Association's rules..not state laws. As you should know, being an experienced show owner like you are saying you are, it is your breed association that sets the rules about what can be done or used at the shows.
For instance use of chains or action devices with your breed? That is your association, NOT your state.
You know nothing about tailset horses. I do. And if one does have to have something done, which again is rare, it is NOT the muscle. It is a tiny cut on a ligament, and again is RARELY done.
I made my living many years as a Master Saddlebred Show Horse groom. I worked with those horses every day, AND started horses to wear a tailset. So when I tell you I know what goes on in these training barns? I do.
And it is not stacked shoes, they are mostly leather pads of narrow leather usually 1/8 inch and are used for stride/breakover. They are not the same shoes the Big Licks use.
What exactly did you do to assist farriers? Hold the rope?
As for the trainers? HOW DARE YOU? That is a slap in the face to all of us that love this breed and respect the men and women who have worked so hard to show them, raise them, and love them. As well as a slap to our "ugly horses"....isn't that how you put it?
My trainers were GREAT horsemen. Better than anything you will ever aspire to be, much less be yourself.
And since my trainers were Dale Pugh, Art Simmons and OUR trainer was Sug Utz when we owned the great WC Mimi Genius, and my father was a Saddlebred trainer himself, and was an assistant trainer under Welch Greenwell, I would suggest you mention to someone familiar with this breed how these trainers don't/didn't know ****. I dare you.
My father was also sought out by the King Ranch in Texas to come train. Was yours?
We showed our horse at the wonderful small local shows all the way up to Chicago International, Tulsa, American Royal and Madison Square Garden. Where exactly have you shown again?
I rode with Temple Stephens himself when he was in his 80's, the owner and exhibitor of Easter Serenade, knew R.P. Glenn through conversations I had with him, worked with Alice Thompson, catch groomed for Wallens, Suttons, helped Jack Baker's grooms...as well as various others.
As well as know many many people still in the Saddlebred world both trainers, owners and breeders. I can go anywhere and mention Mimi, and people still remember her, remember my dad. Doubt that you will be able to say the same 60+ years from the fact.
As for lordosis, that has nothing to do with their head carriage, and yes, that IS their natural head carriage, as you would know if you spent any time at all learning about various and sundry breeds.
Pretty obvious from your spelling and punctuation as well as paragraph structure you are educated well, but you can type in "Saddlebred foals" in the search engine, or copy and paste it if you can't manage to spell two words and find all sorts of pretty pictures to look at, since any polysyllabic words may be out of your league.
The great majority of Saddlebreds live well into 20's and up and most are still useable too, and sound as if they were 2 years old. I have never seen a horse with legs or joints blown for that matter. While there are some horse with problems? You will find that in any breed.
As for mule bit, that is used to get one to settle into a rack and only used for that period of time, and lightly to boot. It is not used because someone doesn't know what they are doing.
Any bit can, just by being used period, and not roughly either, can leave sore area on edge of horse's mouth, which you would know if you knew anything at all about horses.
And your statement that any horse can be trained to do anything without a bit, pretty well describes you in a nutshell.
The mark of a TRUE HORSEMAN is that they respect the beauty of all breeds. Not that they announce their ignorance by attacking a breed they clearly know NOTHING about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. And hope IF you have a horse, or are around any true horsemen, they get wind of how you act on a forum where you know no one, as I imagine they will, given enough time. I would be willing to bet that the way you acted here, is only a small sample of what you are in real life.
And the horse world is very very small indeed. For that matter? I DO know Arabian breeders and exhibitors and trainers, as do many of us on here. Your little tirade about a breed that you are so ignorant about, may well beat you back to the barn...if you even have a barn to go to.
Go peddle crazy somewhere else, we're all full up here.