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post #41 of 53 Old 07-21-2013, 11:56 PM
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I've had an account on here before- I'm not a "New Member"
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Well-Maybe you ALL need to look up the definition of NATURAL HORSEMANSHIP too because anybody who says anything of how "Bike chain bits are fine if used correctly" and "Tail sets aren't any worse than a saddle or blanket" are crazy.
Tail sets themselves aren't horrible at all. The act that makes them necessary can be, but not the sets themselves. I have seen VERY nasty rubs come from ill fitting blankets. There are a THOUSAND problems with saddles. How many problems come up from ill fitting saddles? How many cinchy horses are out there who have been abused with rough girthing. Halters are probably the worst.

As for Natrual Horsemanship. NO! Not everyone is on that bandwagon. Just because they are not on that bandwagon, does not make them cruel by default.

Gosh- people wonder why horses act the way they do. People don't think about what the horse feels or thinks. All they think about is themselves and the blue ribbons.
Wait. I have been hearing for years about "how Saddlebreds act" and haven't met any who fit the bill. Please tell me, how these horses are supposed to act? I have never met this mythical "Crazy Saddlebred" that everyone talks about.

There are some who feel that horses mean nothing but what they can win. Mostly though, you have to take the horse into consideration.

If you have been around Saddlebreds for as long as Palomine has, and as long as I have, you will learn VERY quickly, that the American Saddlebred will not tolerate abuse. You lose their minds VERY quickly. They are not the perfectly tolerant TWH, who will calmly accept whatever humans do to them. A Saddlebred who has been hurt remembers. A saddlebred who is in constant pain soon becomes a demon. A saddlebred is very people oriented. He will tell you EXACTLY how he feels at any given moment.

Also, a saddlebred who is in pain and abused will not perform with the right energy needed to win those blues. We need excitement, not terror. We need power, not uncontrolled flailing. We need focus.

Look at Courageous Lord's face or the demeanor of Sprinkles. Ears up. Eyes bright. Watch them show. Then add applause and cheers and see how they respond.

I can name several "trainers" who fit the bill that you describe. It is so much fun watching them fail. And they do. Miserably, I will assure you. It feels SO GOOD watching Karma bite them.

I meant saddlebreds in the show ring are ugly. Do you really think the stacked shoes, the elastic bands, and all of that is really pretty?
Saddlebreds do not have stacked shoes. Pads yes. Stacks, oh god no. Those are TWHs you are thinking of.

Elastic bands serve the same purpose as they do in humans. They are for strength training, and developing muscles. They are not used in the show ring, and are not allowed at many shows.

I have two saddlebreds at my facility right now that are as beautiful as everything else out there. Because they are trail horses and the people that own them would never hurt a fly...
Good for you. Good for their owners. I am glad they have horses they enjoy.

And just because I have different opinions than you all, doesn't mean that it's wrong, it's just not what you think or believe.
Yeah, that goes both ways. WE are also allowed to have opinions. We are allowed to disagree with you.

Sure- there is some cruelty and abuse in the Arabian world but arabs are not allowed half the stuff that people can do to saddlebreds- Fake tails, changing hoof color, etc.
Wait, what is wrong with hoof black? And what is wrong with a switch? Quarter horses wear fake tails too. Is trimming ears and roaching manes cruel too? Yeah, cutting tails is unnecessary and cosmetic, but how are fake tails wrong?

I stopped riding them because I couldn't bear to see the stuff they were doing to them anymore.
I am glad you have something you enjoy.

Sure some of them can live to be older than what I mentioned but you are not looking at the bad things either. You are only looking at the good to try to prove me wrong.
I can find you MANY more examples if you like. MOST Saddlebreds, not "some" live well into their 20s, a lot pushing 30, and a handful into the 30s. The examples I posted, were of personal horses. I live and breathe Saddlebreds. I CAN prove you wrong with as MANY examples as needed.

As for Tennessee Walkers- Tennessee Walking Horse Show 2 year Old Mares and Geldings - YouTube

Two year olds? Really?
Tennessee Walking Horses are NOT the same thing as American Saddlebreds. Two completely different worlds. Two completely different mindsets when it comes to training.

American Saddlebreds separated themselves from the TWH breed many years ago, in part due to the horrible things that happen to the TWHs. We are not associated with such cruelty.

Two year olds are shown in many different breeds.

As I said, My opinions will not be changed and that is that. I did not come here to start an argument or fight, I simply posted my opinion.
What did you come here for? The rebuttals against your opinions were not to change your mind, but to inform the audience. How many debates have you ever seen where the people debating were trying to change each others' minds? Not many. The rebuttals are for the audience.

Nope, your mind is VERY made up. I will keep my opinion of you to myself in respect of the rules. I think your opinions are based off of VERY poor observation and assumption, and you have lack of evidence to support them.

I have a lifetime of evidence to back up my claims. I can tell you dates. I can quote you names. I can show you pictures and videos all day long. The American Saddlebred is my life. I will fight tooth and nail for what I love and for what I believe in.
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In AHA, you are NOT ALLOWED fake tails or changing the colors of their hooves. Some people feather their tails with glue and small bundles of hair but if you are caught, you get in trouble... As for their hooves- If they have spots or stripes, you have to paint them, you cannot just paint the hoof all black or all brown...
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Originally Posted by Horseluver65 View Post
In AHA, you are NOT ALLOWED fake tails or changing the colors of their hooves. Some people feather their tails with glue and small bundles of hair but if you are caught, you get in trouble... As for their hooves- If they have spots or stripes, you have to paint them, you cannot just paint the hoof all black or all brown...
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Who cares if you're not allowed to black all hooves or use fake tails in AHA - common knowledge and never considered abusive, btw. What does that have to do with anything?
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Btw, multi-colored hooves get clear polish. No "paint" used anywhere.
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Yep, in AHA breed shows a multi-colored hoof is supposed to get nothing but clear polish. You can use hoof black on completely black hooves, but only in performance classes. For halter, clear polish only regardless of the hoof color.

I've owned Arabians a good many years and used to show quite heavily. Some of the things I saw being done to those horses by 'reputable' trainers and owners made me sick. The problem is that many of those things trickle down to the amateur owner because they've seen it's the way to win. No thank you.

As for Saddlebreds, I've met many lovely ones over the years. When it comes to 'ugly' there are plenty of those in every breed, and I don't mean the horses.

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As for tails, personally I like them natural looking. no artificial anything. I'm not opposed to good grooming but doing anything to the tail besides combing it out or trimming it is enough. Why have tail sets? or tail surgery to fix it in any way. It happens in other breeds besides Saddlebreds. Paso finos sometimes get a tail surgery to get the popular J- tail the show people like. Pleasure riders want a dead quiet tail. Let the poor horses' tail alone. So some are short and some are long and full. I would hope the judge is looking at something besides the condition of my horse's tail.
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post #49 of 53 Old 07-22-2013, 11:57 AM
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Horseluver65, yes you are entitled to your opinion however, your opinion on Saddlebreds is ill informed and people here such as Palomine and LadyDreamer that actually deal with these horses are trying to educate you. What you think is abusive is not the case. Saddlebred owners love their horses and these horses love to show. Saddlebreds are very popular in my state, and I don't think I've heard anything about abusive practices being used. Trust me, with the controversies surrounding the TWH big lick, if Saddlebreds were being treated the same way, we would of heard of it by now. I can't say much about bicycle chain bits because I don't know anything about them, therefore I don't have an opinion on them until I do more research. There are bits out there I've seen that look abusive, but plenty of people use them and say they are harmless if used the correct way. You just need to become more educated before forming an opinion and sticking to that opinion.
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DCA....I believe the second picture, the darker Chestnut to be the Saddlebred.

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