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    09-27-2009, 06:12 PM
  #31
Green Broke
Yeah, me too. Me too.
     
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    09-27-2009, 06:18 PM
  #32
Weanling
:) yupp!
     
    09-28-2009, 11:26 PM
  #33
Weanling
LoL, Clouds, I know you are not anti-walker...but I have to admit that when I read your initial post I bristled up a little. All that having been cleared up, I just want to put a couple videos in to show why I think walkers are special...

The first is a video of a quarter horse trotting. The second is a barefoot TWH (not)trotting - I.e., running walk.

AND, let it be made really clear that I am NOT anti-quarter horse. I actually just bought one, and she is AWESOME. I love her and my walker both. Actually, I ride them both about equally. But where the QH has some really strong points, Annie (the TWH) does too...lol, namely the fact that I can sit on her and not work. Some people complain about this in regard to walkers, but being a fairly lazy person, I enjoy it.

What I'm getting at here is a very rudimentary "shout out" to the absolute natural smoothness of a barefoot walker. I think it's one of the coolest things ever. But yes, when you compare it to a Saddlebred (which happens to be one of my "dream breeds" to own), the gait is less flashy, when comparing the natural forms of the breeds.

Anyways, on to the vids...my point here, to non-gaited people, is to watch how much work (or NOT work) the rider does on each horse...it's subtle, but you can certainly see it. And that, I guess, is what I'm getting at...in my opinion, a TWH's true talent lies in its subtle differences, not in how flashy (a.k.a. Silly) it looks with giant pads on.


     
    09-29-2009, 09:14 PM
  #34
Started
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lori1983    
LoL, Clouds, I know you are not anti-walker...but I have to admit that when I read your initial post I bristled up a little. All that having been cleared up, I just want to put a couple videos in to show why I think walkers are special...

The first is a video of a quarter horse trotting. The second is a barefoot TWH (not)trotting - I.e., running walk.

AND, let it be made really clear that I am NOT anti-quarter horse. I actually just bought one, and she is AWESOME. I love her and my walker both. Actually, I ride them both about equally. But where the QH has some really strong points, Annie (the TWH) does too...lol, namely the fact that I can sit on her and not work. Some people complain about this in regard to walkers, but being a fairly lazy person, I enjoy it.

What I'm getting at here is a very rudimentary "shout out" to the absolute natural smoothness of a barefoot walker. I think it's one of the coolest things ever. But yes, when you compare it to a Saddlebred (which happens to be one of my "dream breeds" to own), the gait is less flashy, when comparing the natural forms of the breeds.

Anyways, on to the vids...my point here, to non-gaited people, is to watch how much work (or NOT work) the rider does on each horse...it's subtle, but you can certainly see it. And that, I guess, is what I'm getting at...in my opinion, a TWH's true talent lies in its subtle differences, not in how flashy (a.k.a. Silly) it looks with giant pads on.

YouTube - Big Red- 16h Appendix Quarter Horse Trotting

YouTube - All Natural Tennessee Walking Horse Gelding BAREFOOT


I agree that they are special! I almost bought one instead of my MFT. I meant to show the differences between the flashy showhorse Saddlebreds and the flashy showhorse Walkers. Not barefoot or light shod Saddlebreds vs. barefoot or light shod Walkers.
     
    09-29-2009, 11:02 PM
  #35
Weanling
Right, right...gotcha. Just didn't want people to think (and many DO) that all or even most TWH's are shod or shown that way. I personally am not a fan, to put it nicely. I think it looks silly, corrupts the smoothness of the gait...lol, but I am ranting and I don't want to usurp your original purpose here. Like I said, I don't think you're anti-walker at all.
     
    10-01-2009, 02:04 PM
  #36
Foal
I'm no horse expert by any means (my husband and I have gotten our two horses within the last year and use them for pleasure riding on our property and trail riding)...but from what little experience I have, I do know that at least in the case of our TWH that he was abused to some extent.

The people that we purchased him from had only had him 2 days, and while he was (and continues to be) very mannerable, friendly, and good in the saddle, he was pretty malnourished. Not emaciated, but certainly not healthy.

It has taken a great deal of time for Storm to pick up weight, and he is still a bit light, but has come quite a long way from where he was.

I don't know why the original owner neglected him (and to be honest, I don't know what sort of neglect went on...aside from being underweight and needing his shots, tempermentally you could not ask for a better horse) and Storm is able to be registered with the TWHA and has papers.

I honestly don't know what would possess anyone to abuse a horse though---regardless of their breed or their lineage or whether or not they have papers or not.

Aside from that, however, I really can't say a bad word about my horse. I don't have a Saddlebred, so I can't compare there, but honestly he is very well rounded (except for in the belly area...but we're working on that! Lol)
     
    10-01-2009, 10:43 PM
  #37
Weanling
Peaceful, I think that may be a TWH thing. :) My mare has clearly never had a harsh hand laid on her (in fact, she's a little spoiled :) but when I got her she was looking pretty bad, IMO. I know walkers and Saddlebreds both have a more slender build, so maybe that's it? But I have seen more skinny walkers than Saddlebreds for sure. But TWH's are more prominent where I live than Saddlebreds, so that might be why I've seen it more often.
     
    10-01-2009, 10:55 PM
  #38
Yearling
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Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
Here is a picture of a young Saddlebred naturally carrying their head high and lifting their legs high. It looks suspiciously similar to the Saddlebreds in the show ring. I have yet to see a picture of a young, untouched Walker that looks anything like a padded Walker in the show ring. That alone should tell you how much more man-made and unnatural the Walkers are.


Sorry if this has been asked already, but since as you pointed out this colt/filly has a great natural stride, why would you then trim their toes long or put pads/chains on them when they grow up? I ask because I've never seen a picture of a saddlebred with normal length toes. I'm an Icelandic fan myself. Traditional Icelandic riding is abusive in some ways (mostly different ways from other gaited breeds), but the one thing they don't do is put extra equipment on horses that don't need it, even when showing. They advertise those horses as naturally gaited and charge more for them. The most prized horses are the ones that will tolt on a loose rein. My point is that at least they believe mechanically enhancing the gait is a last resort. Saddlebred (and Walker) fans seem to use mechanical enhancements by default.

I can understand liking the breed, because what appeals to us in a horse is not always a conscious thing. But just because you like saddlebreds doesn't mean you need to use traditional training methods on them and support those methods by participating in shows. Same thing for Walker people.
     
    10-01-2009, 11:33 PM
  #39
Foal
It is great that we all enjoy differences - if we all wanted the same thing, the competition would be tremendous. I enjoy a horse that is smooth, fast and a pleasure to rode. I love my Kentucky Mountain Horse as I know that others love their own breeds. The important factor for an amateur is that we can get a fun smooth gait without artificial aides. As far as the show professionals they will always push performance which is fine as long as they do so without abuse - after all it is entertainment.
     
    10-02-2009, 12:30 AM
  #40
Started
For the shoeing of Saddlebreds, please refer to Trot.org. If you have any questions, feel free to join and ask. Shoeing - Trot.org Forums

Quite frankly, I live with a Saddlebred trainer, and two Saddlebred Farriers, so . In MY barn, the age old rule of "No foot, no horse" is key to happy, well performing Saddlebred. We have had many horses come to us with poor quality feet which needed correction. So many problems can be prevented with proper shoeing.

All action devices have a specific purpose. Stretchies help strengthen the shoulder, provide resistance, and shorten the stride. The purpose of chains, or rollers, or leather bands is to encourage the horse to try to step out of them, as they would step in ankle deep snow.

The main difference between the show saddlebreds and show walkers, is that it is impossible to inflict pain specifically to enhance the performance/motion of a Saddlebred like it is possible with a walker.
     

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