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So, you think SORING is wrong???

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        12-27-2009, 04:36 PM
      #111
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
    The show horse owners, who don't know one end of a horse from the other and send their horses to Big Lick trainers, are more concerned with being in the ribbons and having something to brag about to their friends and family.
    I think you could say this for just about any sport. There's one in every crowd. The Big Lick has nothing to do with it.
         
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        12-27-2009, 06:22 PM
      #112
    Weanling
    >>>> The Big Lick has nothing to do with it.

    I really think that acheiving "The Big Lick" has EVERYTHING to do with it. What % of TWH show horses would perfrom that highly extreme gait required to win in the Big Lick classes if they were not weighted, standing on several inch high pads, and banded---not even mentioning the soring that still goes on secretively, or not so secretively---

    In the equine industry, wherever extremes are allowed, they can become desirable if they start to win, then they can become the ideal, and people will go to even higher extremes to meet and surpass that extreme ideal to win.
         
        12-27-2009, 06:22 PM
      #113
    Green Broke
    Sunny, from your other posts on here, I think that you are having trouble grasping the fact that we are not talking about any other sport on this thread, just soring.

    I am sure everyone here knows (and if they did not, you surely told them) that there is abuse and ignorance in any other sport. BUT that is not the point of this thread.

    That is that persons opinion, and I agree with them, it seems more prevalent with the big lick shows. *That is that the ignorance that leads to abuse, so I am perfectly clear.

    ** No offense, But we know already....
         
        12-27-2009, 07:08 PM
      #114
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
    BUT that is not the point of this thread.
    You're right! The point of this thread was to donate to FOSH.

    What have you been doing? By all means if you want to donate, then donate. But sitting around and gabbing about the horrors of soring even more is not going to get you anwhere. Go do something about it. Hey, maybe you can really do good and help those horses. More power to ya.

    So you already knew that, eh? Good for you. Glad we're on the same page.
         
        12-27-2009, 07:26 PM
      #115
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sunny06    
    I think you could say this for just about any sport. There's one in every crowd. The Big Lick has nothing to do with it.
    I agree, I am involved with the racing industry. Most of our owners don't even know what their horses LOOK like they just want that check at the end of the month. Every sport has an issue and abuse and neglect. The big lick does have some to do with it in the aspect of TWH.

    However as stated to you NUMEROUS times this thread is about soring and donating money to stop it. Others have just stated other ways to stop it, like letters. I send letters out so YES I DO do something about it. We are just having a friendly discussion but you are just making it seem like it is not abuse, which I know is not your intention as you have stated you DO think it's abusive. But if we talked about all the abuse in the horse industry we could go on for YEARS, so let's just keep talking about soring and TWH and stay on topic =)
         
        12-27-2009, 07:52 PM
      #116
    Yearling
    Yes, if you are so horrified then donate some money to FOSH. The reason to support an organization is they spend the time and money to bring the debate into the public focus. Public attention will slowly but surely bring about change. States want good publicity for tourists. Owners do not want to be seen as hideous monsters. The TWH association wants to look good to the general public. Inspectors feel the pressure. I am not saying it will happen over night. Historically, cruelty does lessen with enough public outrage. Other than horse people, most everyone else is not aware of the TWH abuse. I am hoping FOSH can work toward that awareness changing.
         
        12-27-2009, 08:11 PM
      #117
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KristinJ    
    We are just having a friendly discussion but you are just making it seem like it is not abuse, which I know is not your intention as you have stated you DO think it's abusive. But if we talked about all the abuse in the horse industry we could go on for YEARS, so let's just keep talking about soring and TWH and stay on topic =)
    I apologize that you feel this way. I assure you that was not my intention.

    And just to add, abuse is never a friendly conversation.
         
        12-27-2009, 10:43 PM
      #118
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sunny06    
    I think you could say this for just about any sport. There's one in every crowd. The Big Lick has nothing to do with it.
    Of course, you'll find the same types of owners in many areas of the horse world. There are some real numbskull owners in the WP world who send their horse to a BNT halfway across the country and only ever see the horse at shows or for publicity photos.

    If the trainer does things like bleeding or tail blocking or "hanging" the horse by tying its head up high so that it will carry it low when being ridden. . .chances are, the owners are totally oblivious to those "behind the scenes" tricks. They just know that their horse is winning.

    However, since this thread is in the gaited horse subtopic, and has been about TWHs, and the problem of soring within the TWH industry, it's the owners of those Big Lick/padded show horses that I'm referring to.

    The trainers may have convinced themselves that the pads and chains (and even chemicals) are all a necessary part of showing TWHs. And the money they're making from their ignorant clients just makes it easier for them to pretend it's perfectly acceptable to make a horse flail around the show ring, all the while reassuring the owners that "the horses love it!"

    Seriously, after this many pages of posts within this single thread, the whole "but it happens in other breeds, too" argument means absolutely nothing.
         
        12-27-2009, 10:55 PM
      #119
    Green Broke
    I am a letter writer myself, so I would say I am doing all I can do at this point. I have written until my little fingers are sore. There are no Big Lick shows in my area, or anywhere close to me, or I would be right there protesting as well.

    I do not believe in donating to organizations such as FOSH unless I can see very clearly that they are in fact making any sort of real difference. I can put my money into stamps, paper, envelopes and postage, and that is my contribution.

    I am not saying that noone should send money to FOSH, I am sure they are great, But I personally am not at the moment.

    And Sunny, the point of the original post was FOSH, but the thread itself has become about soring, you can clearly see this if you read through it...
         
        12-28-2009, 07:06 AM
      #120
    Showing
    OK guys, point taken about the purpose of the thread. Let's get back on topic or if everyone thinks it has run it's course, we can close it if you want.
         

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