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post #131 of 167 Old 10-11-2012, 01:19 PM
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There are a lot of big lick people who don't sore there horse, but either way, its still an unnatural movement, and its easy to see that.
I love mine. There is nothing smoother on a trail. Instead of boucning up and down all day and being sore, its like riding in a cadillac.
The natural gate of a Walker, to me, is the most comfortable horse out there.
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post #132 of 167 Old 10-11-2012, 01:34 PM
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my ultimate question is how did this "big lick" style become what is looked for in the show ring?

I am sure there are people that get it without soring, but I must also say I have NEVER seen a horse walking around the field trying to kick itself in the jaw.

Shouldn't the TWH shows be just like a walk trot canter class at a hunter show? Showing off the animals NATURAL gaits & rider's ability to get the horse to respond when asked??? They can still dress as goofy as they want, but they need to re direct their desires for natural horse movements.
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Although I believe then can get the horse to move in a bit more animated way, without soring, they can't get them to look like that or move like that. I guess the goal is to make them look like an animated cripple but, that can't be done without the nasty heavy shoes and big stacks. There are many different ways of soring, it is not just the chemical method. They also put things in their stacks to horribly bruise the bottoms of the poor creatures feet. Despicable!
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The very practice of big lick in general is considered mechanical soring because its so unnatural. The strain and damage put on the joints is so beyond anything seen in virtually any other discipline, so even if a few people don't intentially sore, the horse is still sore and in pain.
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The very practice of big lick in general is considered mechanical soring because its so unnatural. The strain and damage put on the joints is so beyond anything seen in virtually any other discipline, so even if a few people don't intentially sore, the horse is still sore and in pain.
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Exactly! Yet there are those who will argue that there is no joint damage or strain on the horse at all. Monsters!
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my ultimate question is how did this "big lick" style become what is looked for in the show ring?

I am sure there are people that get it without soring, but I must also say I have NEVER seen a horse walking around the field trying to kick itself in the jaw.

Shouldn't the TWH shows be just like a walk trot canter class at a hunter show? Showing off the animals NATURAL gaits & rider's ability to get the horse to respond when asked??? They can still dress as goofy as they want, but they need to re direct their desires for natural horse movements.
You wont find big lick horses shown in these small shows around the states.
If you do see one, they end up not showing because there the only one.
There are usually around 5-6 shows on saturdays within 45 minutes of here, once a month anyways. However, if you lived in KY, where there are more Walkers than probably anywhere else, including Tenn., and you'll find that all the Walkers here are shown in trail pleasure classes with flat shod shoes on.

Its honeslty not as big of an epidemic as some try to make it out to be. Shows like Shelbyville are rare occurences.
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If anyone here was for it, I def. Don't think they would openly admit it!
With that being said, I find the practice reprehensible and vile. To abuse an animal to force it to walk in an awkward, silly looking, un-natural, and damaging way is beyond me.


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I read pages of this conversation here and there, and don't have time now to read the rest. So this might have been mentioned before, I don't know.

I wasn't aware of this in the Big Lick industry. Apparently the zip tie is to divert the pain issue from the tail and feet.


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I read pages of this conversation here and there, and don't have time now to read the rest. So this might have been mentioned before, I don't know.

I wasn't aware of this in the Big Lick industry. Apparently the zip tie is to divert the pain issue from the tail and feet.


Oh Lord, more to be sick about. I guess I don't see the point of that though. The pain is what makes them pick their feet up. Maybe if the pigs that did this stuff were smart enough, they would know they were over doing it and stop it. Instead they go... "oh, my horse can't even stand up now it is in so much pain, I will redirect the pain so they can stand" the worst part... they don't think there is anything wrong with it.

I always want to reach right through the computer screen, steal the horse. Peel those stupid shoes off, give them a soft place to lay down and rest and just lay there with them, loving on them and promising that THAT abuse will NEVER happen to them again. Now I have to make time in my dream to cut off a bungy from their poor top jaw as well.

Oh yeah, and they need the zip tie because those horrid bits don't cause quite enough pain to render the horse incapacitated.
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post #140 of 167 Old 12-08-2012, 09:00 AM
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I would think the zip tie would cause the area around it to go numb. Is that the idea, numb the mouth. Is it working on the same principle as when a chain twitch is put over the gums- it's supposed to cause a flood of endorphins? When I look at how tight it is, I wonder what is used to remove it. I couldn't help but notice how young the horse is.
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