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post #41 of 167 Old 09-09-2012, 11:06 PM
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Obviously against it. It's just indescribable, the pain the horses go through just to win moola for their insanely stupid people (I use that term loosely).

Also, what I think is also stupid is that, even though there are not lots of rules and laws, ect. about it, and there are even inspectors, no amount of laws and rules and inspections are going to change the way people train their horses at home, when no one is watching. What they need to do is get the judges to change what they are judging for. They need to start choosing horses without such sickeningly distorted gaits, and start awarding ribbons to the horses with the most natural gait. Eventually, people will get the idea and start training their horses for a more natural gait. Just like rolkur in dressage, it was the height of fashion for a while, now it's deeply scorned upon and you now see dressage horses with nice, natural headsets (or at least, they're able to breath!).
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*even though there are lots of laws and rules against it, and there are even inspectors*
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post #43 of 167 Old 09-09-2012, 11:59 PM
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We came home from a circus act when my daughter was in the third grade. Oh how she loved the circus. It was the last one we were to ever attend. She came home...turned on the tv and there was a show about the abuse of circus animals. She has never attended another circus and has written several reports on her stance. Now a Junior in high school, I am still so very proud of her continued stance and how she sticks up for it. She was so very young when she made up her mind about circuses and it has never wavered..Even when she was offered a job selling cotton cotton she turned it down.

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post #44 of 167 Old 09-10-2012, 12:53 AM
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I have to play devil's advocate even though this post is quite old and state that people 100% against showing have no idea what they're talking about. If you ACTUALLY believe that this industry would be sustainable whatsoever with people ONLY trail riding and petting their ponies, you have a very very tenacious concept of how business, industry and economy works. Kids and farmers have been racing their old ponies since the dawn of time. Little kids rally to have little play dates. The idea of a world without ANY competition is as fruitless, pointless and quite frankly, negative, as a world without sports, rallies, derbies or any other sort of competition humans almost need to fulfill their existence,

There are THOUSANDS of people, if not literally millions, who are able to compete their horses on an honest, passionate and loving level. Me and my best friend have never been into "hardcore" shows - we save our pennies for fun game days, local rodeos and schooling shows. There is no "win at any cost" attitude. It's screaming and jumping up and down and hugging our pony when we get FIFTH place and a little scrap of ribbon because we never showed up hoping to win a darn thing. Why do we do it? It's hella fun - it's an amazing crowd of people, we've made some amazing friends and in the whole group we know, maybe one or two are complete morons who act like a $3 fun class is the end of the world if they don't win.

A world without ANY showing isn't even a valid or reasonable concept. Being against ALL showing is like being against ALL Arabians because a few losers give the breed a bad name. Yes I understand that on a regional, national and world level it can get pretty dicey. But blanket statements about the horse show world showing nothing but astounding ignorance as to WHY many people own horses, even the backyard riders who mostly trail ride. MOST equestrians will attend at least ONE horse show in their life, be it a full fledged show or a quaint little "game day" down the road at Old Joe's barn. Humans in general enjoy competition and MANY of us if not MOST of us are perfectly capable of competing our horses without letting money and glory shield our vision from the true goal - a great day of laughs and memories with good company and your best horse at your side.

And obviously I am vehemently against soring of any kind.
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post #45 of 167 Old 09-10-2012, 10:49 AM
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One thing that would potentially help the TWH shows is if a faction of them would again go under the governance of the USEF and be subject to the laws and rules set down by the organization. They really aren't that bad. Isn't soring part of the reason that the TWH removed itself from the USEF in the first place? If TWH competitors could create a sustainable show program under such authority, the USEF would give them at least some credibility. Having their backing would be very helpful to the TWH cause.

Read the USEF rules regarding weights and pads and chemicals and shoes and training devices. As an ASB person(again, we do not sore to achieve the high action) I can tell you the the USEF will very readily check any horse the reps feel are in violation. And horses are DQ'd for violations too . Did you know that PEPPERMINTS are now illegal at shows? This is a rule most ASB people ignore because our horses live off of the darn things, but yes. They are considered a "masking agent" for some drug or drugs.
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post #46 of 167 Old 09-10-2012, 08:50 PM
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Finally, A Gaited Horse Picture Contest! < found a Big Lick'ed horse She hasnt replied yet, though is online...
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post #47 of 167 Old 09-10-2012, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sommsama09 View Post
Finally, A Gaited Horse Picture Contest! < found a Big Lick'ed horse She hasnt replied yet, though is online...

She just responded ;) To answer the OP's question even though I do not own a gaited horse I am strongly against it.. I know a lady who breeds and trains TWH's and I could spend the day just watching them move :) However watching the others who are victims of soring makes me want to toss my cookies :( Painful to watch.
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My mistake, though i truly thought it was big lick'ed. Sorry for confusion... I am VERY pleased to hear that he is not big lick'ed.. a shame for any horse especially one as imressivly beautiful as this horse, Elvis, is. I appologise for misunderstanding.
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post #49 of 167 Old 09-10-2012, 10:24 PM
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Oh I'm totally all for soring...

..said no person on HF, ever.

Obviously I'm against soring.

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The whole idea of soring is relatively new to me. I don't know, maybe my head was in the sand or something. I have always felt that things they did to the Tennessee walkers were cruel. Heck the shoes look like they have weighted pain cans strapped to their feet. How is that not cruel? Having them move in such an unnatural manner is also cruel in itself as it causes all kinds of undue strain on muscles and joints. This would certainly have an effect on over all soundness.

I showed Saddlebreds in the past but never did the giant shoes. I never heard of anyone soring Saddlebreds either. I did see people using chains or leather straps to induce more "motion" I have to say, I didn't find the motion of the Saddlebred upsetting to watch but the lumbering gait of the Tennessee walker at those types of shows literally makes me sick to my stomach. Now, seeing all that abuse that gets them to move like that makes it all the worse.

Years ago there was this short fat man that trained Saddlebreds with a bit of success. I couldn't stand him he was rude and just gross. Once I saw him kicking a horse in the belly to get the horse to go into the trailer at a show. He was so short that when he kicked up, he fell flat on his back and then got stepped on by the horse. I thought that was Davine intervention but felt bad for the horse as I knew it would pay for it. Next time I saw the horse, it ran into the trailer like it had a bolt of lightning hit it in the butt. We all know what happened there.

Sadly, we made reports but... he continued to get away with his abuse for years. I got out of those shows, I have no interest in associating with those types of people in any way. I won't support it.

Anyone that goes to those shows supports it. I wish they had a jumbo tron at the show and would play the videos of the abuse these horses endure, right before the class. How many people would be able to sit there and enjoy watching these poor horses lumber around the ring after seeing that?

Also, I HATE how most of those trainers ride them too. They all look like they have a bad case of hemorrhoids and they are leaning forward so as not to irritate them.
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