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        09-17-2012, 04:12 PM
      #81
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    YES! FINALLY I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS!

    Soring is the worst example but all showing causes nothing but trouble.

    So what do you do with your horse? I am just wondering what the point of owning a horse is if you aren't going to do anything with it...
         
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        09-17-2012, 05:40 PM
      #82
    Weanling
    And I would be really interested to hear from someone who is FOR soring. Just because I am curious about the other perspective. There are obviously people who think it's acceptable or it would have never existed.
         
        09-17-2012, 06:26 PM
      #83
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Strawberry4Me    
    So what do you do with your horse? I am just wondering what the point of owning a horse is if you aren't going to do anything with it...
    Now, I'm not against showing or anything... But I don't do it simply because I don't want to. Are you implying that there is no point in me owning a horse, because if we don't show I'm obviously not doing anything with it? I'm not trying to sound nasty (I promise!) It just seems like that's what you're implying. Really, the opposite is true! I go visit her as often as I can, we go down beautiful trails and we hang out together in the pasture. Trail riding is a big thing - we both love it. She loves to be out and about, and I do too. (She also loves swimming!) But even when I don't ride, I just go down to visit her. She's always happy to see me and get brushed and bathed and even likes working in the arena for the most part. How is that 'not doing anything' with her, just because I don't show? Showing is not all there is to owning a horse.

    As for the second part... Even if anyone on this forum was for soring, I doubt they would speak up after our thread rant about how awful it is! But I agree. I would love to hear the mentality behind those people, and how they try to rationalize it.
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        09-17-2012, 06:56 PM
      #84
    Started
    People who sore their horses don't necessarily have the mentality of "I love torturing animals". I've found that they simply don't acknowledge the abuse, or flat out deny it altogether. From the few that I've spoken to, they either insist that soring no longer exists (which we all know is a lie) or they think, "that's just the way it's done". They see the horses as a means to an end. They think it's acceptable to do whatever it takes to win.

    We're never going to get an explanation from someone who sores. There is no logic behind it. You have to be sick to rub mustard oil into an animal's skin. That's my explanation: they're just plain sick.
         
        09-17-2012, 08:17 PM
      #85
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    YES! FINALLY I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS!

    Soring is the worst example but all showing causes nothing but trouble.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shoebox    
    Now, I'm not against showing or anything... But I don't do it simply because I don't want to. Are you implying that there is no point in me owning a horse, because if we don't show I'm obviously not doing anything with it? I'm not trying to sound nasty (I promise!) It just seems like that's what you're implying. Really, the opposite is true! I go visit her as often as I can, we go down beautiful trails and we hang out together in the pasture. Trail riding is a big thing - we both love it. She loves to be out and about, and I do too. (She also loves swimming!) But even when I don't ride, I just go down to visit her. She's always happy to see me and get brushed and bathed and even likes working in the arena for the most part. How is that 'not doing anything' with her, just because I don't show? Showing is not all there is to owning a horse.

    As for the second part... Even if anyone on this forum was for soring, I doubt they would speak up after our thread rant about how awful it is! But I agree. I would love to hear the mentality behind those people, and how they try to rationalize it.

    No, haha, that's not what I was implying at all. I guess I am just confused. I train mostly in dressage, and I currently do not show my horse. I train her and ride her 6 days a week usually, and eventually I hope to show her. But essentailly that's all a show is, you showing off the level of training that your horse is at, under saddle. Right? So if one is against showing, they must also be against training and riding. And in that case, what is the point? If you are not going to train or ride, what do you do? Look out your window and watch your horse eat grass? Don't get me wrong, I understand that in certain circumstances, horses can not work. And in that case, a retired horse is a retired horse. Do you know what I mean? I feel like it's not coming out right...
         
        09-17-2012, 08:32 PM
      #86
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Strawberry4Me    
    No, haha, that's not what I was implying at all. I guess I am just confused. I train mostly in dressage, and I currently do not show my horse. I train her and ride her 6 days a week usually, and eventually I hope to show her. But essentailly that's all a show is, you showing off the level of training that your horse is at, under saddle. Right? So if one is against showing, they must also be against training and riding. And in that case, what is the point? If you are not going to train or ride, what do you do? Look out your window and watch your horse eat grass? Don't get me wrong, I understand that in certain circumstances, horses can not work. And in that case, a retired horse is a retired horse. Do you know what I mean? I feel like it's not coming out right...
    I think I do understand. But I don't think she was against shows *and* riding and training. Just shows - In a show you compete for the best horse, the best title, and some people end up being cruel because they don't want to work with the horse, they just want the money involved in a horse that has won many ribbons. They don't want to own and love a horse, they want to beat a horse until it does what he wants, show it off, and get money, then boast about how great their animals are. So instead of training the right way, they do things like Soring.

    If you just ride for pleasure, for yourself, you have no one to please. Nobody is going to care how your horse steps walking down the trails, and therefore the cruel people who "train" horses with methods like Soring wouldn't buy and abuse horses, because there isn't any money in it. If someone buys a horse not to show, then they are much more likely in it because they love the horse and want to work with it and train it - not to make the money and thus "train" using cruel methods. Look at it this way - if showing didn't exist, the amount of people who use abusive methods like this would drop to almost none. It's almost entirely for showing purposes, to win big titles. No shows/money, you're left with the people who absolutely love their horses and own them because they like to, not because they want money and titles.

    Again - I'm not against showing. And I'm not trying to say that everyone who shows is cruel. It just happens to be the reason many people use abusive "training" methods. People who are against showing aren't against all training or anything, but against them because they really do bring out the worst in some people and they don't' want to support that.
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        09-17-2012, 08:40 PM
      #87
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shoebox    
    I think I do understand. But I don't think she was against shows *and* riding and training. Just shows - In a show you compete for the best horse, the best title, and some people end up being cruel because they don't want to work with the horse, they just want the money involved in a horse that has won many ribbons. They don't want to own and love a horse, they want to beat a horse until it does what he wants, show it off, and get money, then boast about how great their animals are. So instead of training the right way, they do things like Soring.

    If you just ride for pleasure, for yourself, you have no one to please. Nobody is going to care how your horse steps walking down the trails, and therefore the cruel people who "train" horses with methods like Soring wouldn't buy and abuse horses, because there isn't any money in it. If someone buys a horse not to show, then they are much more likely in it because they love the horse and want to work with it and train it - not to make the money and thus "train" using cruel methods. Look at it this way - if showing didn't exist, the amount of people who use abusive methods like this would drop to almost none. It's almost entirely for showing purposes, to win big titles. No shows/money, you're left with the people who absolutely love their horses and own them because they like to, not because they want money and titles.

    Again - I'm not against showing. And I'm not trying to say that everyone who shows is cruel. It just happens to be the reason many people use abusive "training" methods. People who are against showing aren't against all training or anything, but against them because they really do bring out the worst in some people and they don't' want to support that.
    Ahhh yes, I can see that. I honestly never really thought about people doing it for the money, because in my personal experience, it seems that showing COSTS a lot of money in entry fees and travel expenses, etc... All for a 99 cent ribbon!! In my experience, people pay to show because they take pride in the horse, their trainer, and their accomplishments as a team WITH their horse.
         
        09-17-2012, 08:43 PM
      #88
    Yearling
    The higher end shows you can win big money. Also, studding out a horse that has 21 first place ribbons in said higher end shows can bring in some pretty good money too. Heck, if they sell the horse they could make a pretty good profit. The smaller shows you don't have to worry too much, especially if there's no prizes involved other than a ribbon :)
         
        09-17-2012, 09:05 PM
      #89
    Weanling
    Well yeah, that I know. There are some pretty fancy horses at the center where my horse is boarded. My trainer and 4 students just came back from NEDA's Fall Festival with a few handfulls of money and prizes and ribbons. But I still wasn't really thinking about it in that aspect. I know that we have some horses that are worth a pretty penny after having been trained by my trainer and going to shows and coming back super stars. But I never really thought about it any more that that they are worth a lot of money and they are nice horses... I guess because I have never been exposed to that abusive show horse atmosphere so its hard to remember that it even exists. And because a part of me doesn't WANT to acknowledge that it exists!
         
        09-17-2012, 09:16 PM
      #90
    Green Broke
    There's a huge amount of money involved in showing and is why soring has become acceptable amongst a certain crowd. You go to a big show and there can literally be millions of dollars worth of horses in attendance. That kind of money brings in an attitude of do what it takes to win.

    Just so you know, there's a whole big wide world of horses out there that have never seen a show, never will see a show yet get trained, rode and enjoyed their whole life.
         

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