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post #1 of 11 Old 05-15-2013, 02:07 PM Thread Starter
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Teaching Gaited Horses to Canter- Dolly Missouri Foxtrotter

Gaited horses can canter naturally but cantering under saddle is different. At first it's uncomfortable and seems like their legs are everywhere. You have to build the muscles and get them soft and supple in the sides. We lunged Dolly a lot just building her muscles and then started applying some round pen work getting her turning on her haunches which taught her to get underneath herself. Then we in addition just kept increasing the distances & riding a lot! Over the course of 4 months of riding 4-5 times per week she's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_5AOxTSwjs

You can watch all 10 videos on Youtube to see her progress and I'm going to keep posting as I collect here more and more!

I've noticed the more I canter, the better the other gaits are getting!
Talk about your experiences teaching your gaited horse to canter, recommendations, questions and comments on cantering gaited horses!

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post #2 of 11 Old 05-15-2013, 04:30 PM
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If the horse is pacy and doesn't want to gait, the canter can be used as a aid to get them started.

Not true with a trotty, or naturally gaited horse. The canter can make these worse, and many times make, getting them to gait, nie on to impossible.

If you are not very good at training gaits, and your horse gaits, I strongly recommend forgetting the canter. Good way to mess one up.
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post #3 of 11 Old 05-16-2013, 08:46 AM
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If the horse is pacy and doesn't want to gait, the canter can be used as a aid to get them started.

Not true with a trotty, or naturally gaited horse. The canter can make these worse, and many times make, getting them to gait, nie on to impossible.

If you are not very good at training gaits, and your horse gaits, I strongly recommend forgetting the canter. Good way to mess one up.
This may be true with speed racking horses but it is most certainlly NOT true with Walkers or Mangalarga Marchadors.

Another place it is true is on the track with Standardbreds. Breaking gait for them is a disqualification and trainers spend a LOT of time and effort ensuring that a "break" does not happen. Sometimes retraining an OTSB to the canter can be a challenge.

These, however, are narrow exceptions to the rule that work at the canter will almost always improve gait, if only because work at the canter improves wind.

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post #4 of 11 Old 05-16-2013, 10:27 AM
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"This may be true with speed racking horses but it is most certainlly NOT true with Walkers or Mangalarga Marchadors."

It is especially true with a pacey TWH. Not enough info on the Mangalarga Marchadors for an opinion.


"These, however, are narrow exceptions to the rule that work at the canter will almost always improve gait, if only because work at the canter improves wind."

This shows a complete lack of understanding of the muscles used for differing gaits. The reason the canter may help a pacey horse is due to the muscle groups used. Those used in the canter of a pacey horse are totally different, than those used to pace. This sometimes aids in starting them to gait. IMO, I think it's a bad idea. I much prefer to use other training methods, BUT, sometimes they fail and the canter is a tool you can use with caution. Improving wind has absolutely nothing to do with gaits(rack, running walk, etc) If improving wind, works the wrong muscle groups, you'll hamper their ability to gait.

Plus, the canter with a lot of horses, is an easier gait to preform, than the trot. Does the trot, therefore, improve a rack or running walk? Not hardly.

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Actually I think I understand the biomechanics quite well. I also understand that there few, if any, "universal" rules.

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My Paso fino mare will canter on the line and in the field just fine, but undersaddle it gets......goofy. Sometimes even on the line. She wants to continue to gait and her legs seem to go everywhere. She will gait in the field the majority of the time, only cantering to catch up to (or get away from) the faster horses.
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post #7 of 11 Old 05-29-2013, 11:23 AM
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Cantoring a gaited horse

Hi! I've had lots of gaited horses and cantoring has never "hurt or ruined" his or her gaits! Some gaited horses are more naturally gifted in terms of "smoothness" and have a wonderful little "rocking horse"cantor while others are not quite as gifted in that area, however I do think you can always work with your horse to help them develop into having a better, more controlled cantor movement. Sometimes all it takes is helping them build up their hind quarters/muscles which can improve any horses movement of course, also I think working up their hind end in a small area/round pen/small paddock where you can get more controlled consistent movement and such may help...I have a black walker that was all over the place in the cantor and worked with him in round pen with controlled reining and small circles, he kept trying to break out of a cantor and go into gallop but slight collectiveness and leg placement when he would do that I think helped while building up hind end in small area. He will never be as smooth as my naturally cantoring walker but so much improved from when I first purchased him!

I think some gaited horses just have never been "cantored" under saddle and find it awkward but work on it, its fabulous once you get there! Watch her in the pasture the way she moves, she should have somewhat of a natural cantor movement instead of just a trot/run. Good Luck!
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post #8 of 11 Old 05-29-2013, 09:29 PM
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I have Peruvians. Some canter nicely and some are very awkward at it. It doesn't seem to hurt their gait at all.
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post #9 of 11 Old 05-30-2013, 03:16 PM
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" Watch her in the pasture the way she moves, she should have somewhat of a natural cantor movement instead of just a trot/run."

The gait a horse does at liberty is NOT even an indicator of the gait they will have under saddle.

I've seen excellent, naturally gaited horse, never hit a lick in the pasture.
ANd, seen horses gaiting up a storm in the pasture, BUT, will NOT do it under saddle.

Once you add the saddle and rider, it all changes.

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I think there should be an I don't know answer to the poll. That's what I would pick.

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