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        06-03-2013, 08:39 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
    I have a hard time considering what he does abuse. I know people don't like to see a horse padded up but if done so properly and a horse is conditioned to it then it isnt any worse than jumping an unprepared horse.
    So you are saying it is ok to jump an unprepared horse? And you are also saying padding is that harmful to the horse AFTER the poor thing is conditioned to it?? I think you cancel out your own statement and prove the point of those of us that say it is cruel... Just saying.

    The horses have been bred to just tolerate the crazily unnatural gait, they still break down quickly. Not to mention the damage that much leverage does on a hoof. Its a common sense thing that anyone who doesnt think a horses hoof is no more than a piece of wood will understand. Hooves have delicate structures inside them, that much concussion can not be anything but severely damaging. It would be like living 24/7 in a pair of stilettos and not being allowed to sit or lay down.

    I hope those miserable, cruel cretins end up living in card board boxes. Since when is money an excuse to continue abuse and cruelty??
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        06-03-2013, 08:54 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    What I am saying is that ANY horse used for ANYTHING not properly conditioned can be harmed. Not just padding up a horse or jumping. If I go jump on my 15 yo app and take him up the side of the mountain Im going to be in big trouble. He has been a pasture puff for three years now. Any horse in any discipline can be subject to cruelty and abuse, period. Race horses have it worse than any other, IMO. Yes, padding them up exagerates their gait and in the long run it may cause some serious damage. Every discipline faces that. Eventers, cross country, barrel racing, roping, whatever. For every discipline there are bad trainers and consequences. I didnt say it was right to pad them up. I think horse racing is cruel, so is barrel racing, jumping....whatever. Put the horse in the right hands and they stand a better lively hood.
         
        06-03-2013, 08:59 PM
      #23
    Trained
    Too sexy-did you WATCH the video? It is more than padding them up. Much more. Makes abuse in other disciplines look like a walk in the park.

    You really need to educate yourself before digging yourself in deeper. Bad trainers can be found in any discipline-yes. But most pale in comparison to these, and most restorations/organizations do not turn a blind eye like the TWH industry has.
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        06-03-2013, 09:04 PM
      #24
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Too sexy-did you WATCH the video? It is more than padding them up. Much more. Makes abuse in other disciplines look like a walk in the park.

    You really need to educate yourself before digging yourself in deeper. Bad trainers can be found in any discipline-yes. But most pale in comparison to these, and most restorations/organizations do not turn a blind eye like the TWH industry has.
    Im waiting for it to load. I live in BFE and my internet is crappy so it takes a few minutes for a video to come up.

    Like I said before, what I know is from I can remember as a child and from what I have been around as an adult, which in my area, isnt much. Most TWH people, if they show, do the natural classes. There are a few bigger barns that do the padded walkers but from what I have seen I wouldnt call it abuse. Yes, I will watch the video, and yes I will further educate myself on the facts. Im not turning a blind eye or ignoring it. Im open to any and all information.
         
        06-03-2013, 09:07 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Also, why, if they ban the padded walking, why can't they go on or go further with the natural gaits? One of our mares is just beautiful in her natural gaits. She was never shown padded just under the running walk, flat walk classes. Why would it be so hard, if these horses are so "great", to show their natural ability? That to me would mean more than what they do when forced to walk in a certain way.
         
        06-03-2013, 09:23 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Okay, I just got done watching the video. Stuff like that is just plain sick. I have never, ever.....seen anybody do anything like to a TWH for shows. Also, I don't recall (as a kid) seeing the horses "big lick" quite like that. In the video most of the horses were very jerky and very uncomfortable looking. When Randy rode Hallelujah his ears were always forward and he moved very fluently. These horses look like they are just slinging their legs. I have watched a show ever, I know that right off the bat I can name two riders in that video franknbeans posted.

    The whole leg sore thing and putting chains around them is just disgusting. I couldnt imagine a horse laying down in a stall like that and having to be beaten to get up. IDK, that video was sickening.
         
        06-03-2013, 09:52 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Thats is the big licking that people have a problem with. We are not picking on TWHs but the only way to eradicate what you saw in that video is to stop the big lick industry cold.
    No one is going after flat shod and natural TWH gaits. It is the "performance" horse side of things that is under attack.

    I would love to see these naturally beautifully moving animals celebrated for what they are, not what they are forced to be.
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        06-03-2013, 09:59 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
    Okay, I just got done watching the video. Stuff like that is just plain sick. I have never, ever.....seen anybody do anything like to a TWH for shows. Also, I don't recall (as a kid) seeing the horses "big lick" quite like that. In the video most of the horses were very jerky and very uncomfortable looking. When Randy rode Hallelujah his ears were always forward and he moved very fluently. These horses look like they are just slinging their legs. I have watched a show ever, I know that right off the bat I can name two riders in that video franknbeans posted.

    The whole leg sore thing and putting chains around them is just disgusting. I couldnt imagine a horse laying down in a stall like that and having to be beaten to get up. IDK, that video was sickening.
    And this trainer has been suspended and disciplined many times, yet he continued to be able to do this. He is not the only one, just one who got caught. It is pretty obvious, since people own theses horses this guy trains, and people go to these shows, that there is support for the industry unfortunately. Like I said before-some of us believe it has become somewhat "traditional" in some areas, so that folks have grown up with it and see nothing wrong with it. Hard to believe.
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        06-03-2013, 11:13 PM
      #29
    Super Moderator
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    Originally Posted by Guilherme    
    One of the hard truths of the Walker world is that the horses that need these extreme devices to perform their gait won't have much value if you take the devices away. In this the article is spot on. They have been bred for almost half a century to be compatible with the devices, vice performing the correct running walk. It will take several generations of intelligent breeding to begin to restore the genetic damage done to the breed. But the idea that we have to continue these outrageous practices or "the horses will go for meat" is about as morally and ethically bankrupt as you can get!

    The Big Lick horse is not so much "trained" as "made" or "manufactured." The gait is "nailed on," not achieved by work or breeding. Some horses take to it better than others, but that's not saying much.

    The "Performace" industry maintains that the practices to create the Big Lick are not harmful to the horse if done correctly. IMO this is wrong. While the devices, themselves, might not be so harmful the movement created IS. Or maybe the movement would not be harmful if not caused by the devices. Frankly there's not a lot of reliable science, here.

    In any event there's a lot of money on the table.

    G.
    Reminds me of how not so many decades ago, Chinese women had their feet bound by their very own mothers, who had suffered the torturous process themselves, becuase to NOT bind their daughters' feet would mean they would have no value as a wife. People resisted the change for fear of the harm it would cause their own daughters, but it turns out, the young women managed well enough, even with their "big, ugly feet".
         
        06-05-2013, 11:00 AM
      #30
    Weanling
    Dear Terry Dotson:

    Don't let the door hit you on the butt on your way out.

    The true Tennessee Walking Horse will be better off without people like you.

    If your horses aren't fit to compete without pads, action devices, and whatever other methods you're using to create the Big Lick. . .that's no one's fault but your own.

    Get out of the industry already.
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