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post #41 of 46 Old 09-05-2011, 10:01 PM
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It's not new research. It's several years old.

It's also why I'd like to see breeders start putting some interest breeding back to a more robust horse vs just looking for something that can look good at a show. Some breeds are becoming physically (structurally if you prefer) weaker than the breeds was originally developed to be. I've actually seen some of the effects in TWH and ASB in my lifetime. All the TWH I was around in the early 1970's were more robust than most of the once I've seen recently. I think the ASB were already less robust at that time, which is why we had TWH instead. It's not true of all breeds, but I notice it in some. But that's not to say that there aren't some of these breeds that still have wonderfully robust animals. They just appear to be less common. It could be that breeders wanted to breed to a lighter horse. Perhaps they do better in competition. I can't say, since I competing is not something I've ever had an interest in doing. And I'm not saying that it's bad to breed to a competative standard. It's all about what is desired. I desire a strong, robust horse with strong bone and muscle structure. And a nice easy gait (now that I'm a "few" years older :)) )
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Oooh the typos. One would think English is my second language. Once instead of ones. Perhaps I should dictate to one of my children :))
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The shoe vrs non-shoe is what I am interested in.

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post #44 of 46 Old 09-05-2011, 10:41 PM
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Not really reading all these. Just grabbing some things on the subject.

I'll attach a nice quote (that I'm sure will show up in one or more of these sites) and then put in some URLs

"Is Barefoot Better? From Horse and Rider"
"The blood in horses' feet does much more than provide nutrients to hoof tissues. It also enables the unshod foot to function as a hydraulic system, in much the same way that gel-filled athletic shoes do."
"We need to be trimming hooves so that more of the back part of the foot -- including the frog -- bears the initial ground impact forces and weight."
"Horseshoes provide a much smaller surface area to absorb shock...So if a bare hoof landing after a jump experiences, say, 1,000 pounds of loading per square foot, then with a traditional shoe, there's going to be 2,000 pounds per square foot."

Healthy Hoof - Solutions for Barefoot Performance

unfettered : Veterinarian Research Studies and Published Works on Barefoot and Effect of Horse Shoes

The Horse's Hoof: Articles

Not saying that everything on all these sites are going to say that having shod horse is the root of all evil or visa versa. There is just so much data on this. The overwhelming evidence is that unshod is better than shod. My personal experience has born that out for me. Got my first horse about 40 years ago. Only two horse of mine have ever had shoes and both were unshod before I had them delivered to me. I've never had a horse have a foot problem. I've ridden up to 50 miles in a day with parts of it on paved hwy, dirt, gravel, sand, etc..... HOWEVER. I spent many, many months getting my horse conditioned to riding on those surfaces. Their hoofs were very hard and they were ridden often. I never had more than two at a time that were mine so it was pretty easy to average 5 - 30+ miles a day 5-6 days a week for each horse. My AQH was ridden so much that there were years that she hardly got trimmed at all. Her hoofs stayed worn from the amount of work she did (a farriers nightmare :)) )
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Near as I can find there is no such thing as a 1920 cavalry manual on equine husbandry or training. I will be meeting with the librarian of the U.S. Cavalry Assn. later this month and will ask them to see if they can find it. Two people who have extensive personal libraries of early U.S. Cavalry documentation say they've never heard of it, either. It is regularly cited but no one I know has a copy of it. Nor is it on line that I've been able to find. Maybe we've all just missed it, but I'd sure like to see it, given the standard field load of the day.

The studies cited are dreadfully incomplete as we know nothing, from the articles, about the type of horses being used. We know nothing of the test protocols. We know nothing of the fitness levels of the horses. We know nothing of the skill of riders/testers. Given these fact we really know nothing at all.

At the risk of starting a "shoeing war" I'll just say that if a horse needs shoes it's a cruelty not to provide them. If they don't it's a waste of assets to use them. Do what's right for the horse in front of you, not the horse on somebody's web site or in somebody's book or video.

If folks come to the competition they'll meet some of the few survivors of the "real deal" and not be limited to Google searches. One of our regulars is Col. Ed Ramsey who, as a young Lt. Ramsey, lead the last charge of the U.S. Cavalry at Los Banos in the Phillipines. We wish the Col. a long and healthy life but "next year" might be too late.

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I've never seen the 1920 manual either, but I've never seen a lot of manuals that I've heard spoken off. I had an old Cav manual that was falling apart, but like the rest of my library it was lost when the house burned down in 2004. Sucks, because some things have been out of print so long if you don't just get lucky in some antique books store you'll never find them. The ones I had I got cheap because 1: they're not really something many people have any interest in and 2: they were usually in pretty bad shape :)) Didn't matter to me if all the pages were loose. I knew how to put pages in order and in sleeves. I'm still looking a manual that supposedly covers the feeding requirments or feeding methods for mounts on campaign.

There are things that aren't given in the article. If you wanted to see the entire report you'd have to locate a copy of the "Journal of Equine Veterinary Science. Volume 28, Number 1 for 2008". I don't have a copy of it.

There are things that I would perfer to know and even things I'd have rather they did a little different. I'd like to know what breed(s) they used vs just a light riding horse of the appropriate weight ranges. I think they should have used have ASB and half Morgans, since they were the more popular breeds. Would have liked them have done a half and half on mares and geldings. Would love to have seen how they got a Cav load down to 15% :)) (smallest guy on largest horse could do it, since they went up to 625Kg, over 1300lbs).

Obviously I'm going to be ok with the findings though, since they go with what I was taught and have worked extremely well with my experience.

I'll not start a shod vs unshod war :)) (still trying to get use to "barefoot" after decades of shoed/shod or unshod) I fought that war a long time ago with some beloved old timers. Time and events (and my vets finally acknowledging it) and my horses won that battle.
All that being said, I agree that never say that there are not times when a horses hoof might need some help. If a hoof should get damaged by a severe split that actually runs up the length of the hoof (never saw one, but they sit it can happen) I would certainly agree that shoes or something is going to be needed to hold it in a fixed location to facilitate whatever needs to be done to heal it. If your house has tender feet or a sore foot/feet and you don't want to take the time to spend harding them up after they've recovered, then you need to do something to provide protection. For me (if I ever fail to toughen them up enough before hand) I'd have to go with the boots. Didn't have those 30+ years ago when I was doing most of my longer distance riding, but it didn't matter, because I'd spent over 2 years toughening the hoofs up. I'd certainly be willing to use boots vs having my horse suffer an injury. I don't see me ever being willing to have nails driven into my horses hoof. But I wear something to protect my feet, so if the need was there I'd put the boots on mine. I know at this time they are not ready to ride just anywhere I want to go, so I would have to use boots if I took off anytime in the extended future. It does take a while for them to harded up enough to suit me.

You are so correct. It's cruel and there is never an excuse for not taking whatever measure possible to prevent a painful situation for your horse. - and won't go into painful conditions created by shoes :) . It's just something everyone has to decide for themself and their horse.
Feel bad enough that we've gotten so far off the subject of this thread already. All because Cav liked gaited breeds and Cav recommended weight %
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