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    10-05-2010, 02:00 PM
  #11
WWA
Foal
As far as I know, those built up shoes are prohibited in Canada.

I rode a walker for the first time a few years ago and the breed definitely moved to the top of my 'wish list'. One day I'm going to own one!

Even though I find it extremly cruel how some of these horses get 'trained', I believe that no matter what discipline, where a lot of money is involved, you will find cruelty.

When I was young I whitnessed at a local show jumping event, how a guy put coke bottle caps under the horses polo wraps so every time the horse would touch a bar it would hurt and he'd lift his legs higher over the jumps. Yes, I've seen the bloody wraps in the trailer too...
It was quite the uproar when officials found that out and he was suspended from competing for a year.

Like I said, if you look closely, you can find cruelty everywhere; even in the 'back yard'... how many horses don't get trimmed at all (just go to an auction and you see what I mean)... it's not less stressful on their legs to walk on hooves that curl up 4" in the front than having huge shoes/built ups put on.

What bothers me more about those videos, is to see those tiny 2 year old horses being ridden by those tall guys!! It's just wrong im my eyes...
     
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    10-05-2010, 06:17 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by WWA    
When I was young I whitnessed at a local show jumping event, how a guy put coke bottle caps under the horses polo wraps so every time the horse would touch a bar it would hurt and he'd lift his legs higher over the jumps. Yes, I've seen the bloody wraps in the trailer too...
It was quite the uproar when officials found that out and he was suspended from competing for a year.
But the thing is, TWH people don't get suspended for the cruel things they do. The judges usually turn a blind eye to them.
     
    10-05-2010, 06:33 PM
  #13
WWA
Foal
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
But the thing is, TWH people don't get suspended for the cruel things they do. The judges usually turn a blind eye to them.
Sad but true.
But who knows, if enough people speak up and it does become a topic in the horse world, they might 'have' to change their rules? Look at the uproar about rollkur... it's becoming more and more frowned upon the more people talk about it's cruelty and some big riders have been pulled from competitions because they did it.
     
    10-05-2010, 06:48 PM
  #14
Banned
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
But the thing is, TWH people don't get suspended for the cruel things they do. The judges usually turn a blind eye to them.

How do you know that? Is this a fact? The judges and people in charge just sit there and watch as people shove hot pokers into horses feet? Good show barns use build up shoes and nothing more. For a naturally gaited horse, that is all they need! Its comments like yours that make the breed less desirable. Not to mention that about 1% of the walkers born go into big lick training. Less than half of that make it to shoes. A 1/4 of 1% make it into any type of show and only 10 make it to the final WGC.

Please refrain from spewing out generalizations that you have come up with after an afternoon on youtube.
     
    10-05-2010, 10:27 PM
  #15
Green Broke
It's a shame they take a totally wonderful breed with a natural gait (they are born with it) and then exaggerate it until they look like freaks. The horses in that video are 2 yr olds!

Don't ever say you wouldn't own a Walker because of what you see in the show ring, because a lot of nice Walkers end up out West as trail horses, and they have a wonderful, smooth, natural gait that they will even do barefoot out on the trails. I've seen several of them (and Foxtrotters too) that end up out here, and they maybe they didn't have the potential for the show ring, but they are fabulous horses.

But yes, the poor horses in the video look like freaks. I sometimes wonder if the show trainers actually realize how their horses look to the outside world? Like hey, Joe Blow trainer, do you know you are taking a perfectly good horse and turning it into a carnival act that most horse people wouldn't own or have anything to do with? How sad is that? These horses actually have a lovely natural gait, I just wish their breeders and trainers would realize it! Then they would have a huge market for their horses to the general public. Who doesn't like a smooth riding horse with a lovely dispostion?
     
    10-05-2010, 10:40 PM
  #16
Green Broke
PS. What is with the hunched-over riding position shown in the video, especially by the rider in the tan coat (who placed first)? I'm used to seeing saddleseat riders leaning back and/or standing up, but not hunching forward??? It looks kinda weird to me.

My neighbor who owns and trail rides her Walkers and Fox Trotters tells me to lean back a little and put my legs forward a little, kind of like a bit of a chair seat but I have never been told to lean forward and hunch over. There must be a reason they do this in the show ring?
     
    10-05-2010, 10:43 PM
  #17
Banned
They lean forward as it makes it more difficult to pace when you have your weight on the forehand. Not to mention it is not an easy gait to ride. It is very forward moving.

Leaning back saddleseat wise is common in walkers but not in all saddleseat. For ASB you are looking for a nice upright position with a straight up and down post.
     
    10-05-2010, 10:51 PM
  #18
Weanling
A "rail class," any rail class, is a "beauty contest" (not undifferent from the Miss America Pageant). And in most rail classes you see things that make absolutely no sense except in the context of the rail class. I guess the "Western Pleasure Jog" of the QH might be Exhibit A, with the Big Lick Walker being Exhibit B. Or vice versa.

I have not attended a Walker show in several years. But when I did attend them I'll say that I saw some really blind judges. I saw obviously, seriously lame horses pinned (vice being excused). I saw some horrendous use of the whip to get a Big Lick horse to canter. Saw the same thing in some Plantation classes. I've seen Light Shod horses so sore that they could barely move (but made it through the DQP and and judge didn't seem to notice). Be aware that it was not only at the "Saturday Night" NHSC shows that these things went on but at some Name shows. I saw some at FOSH shows, too. For these, and other reasons, I just quit going.

I'll agree that a minority of Walkers end up in Big Lick training, but 1/4 of 1% would be way off if you were anywhere in Middle TN. That area would turn in much larger numbers. I have no idea what the numbers would be in PA, or anywhere else.

The whole Walker breed bears at least some responsibility for the abuses of the Big Lick horse because the whole population of Walker owners chooses not to take effective steps to end the practice. It could be done in three years (the amount of time it would take to change the TWHBEA Board of Directors). It has not happened; it will not happen. So Walker owners get to bear this burden. Until they decide to unburden themselves.

G.
     
    10-05-2010, 10:53 PM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Kay26    
ETA: I've done a little reading apparently horses can be trained to have 'big lick' movement without chains etc but it is rarely the case. Just wanted to say that.
On this subject, it's really really weird, but my friend has a Fox Trotter who does the running walk naturally more often than the fox trot (although he can also fox trot) and if he gets REALLY, REALLY excited, like on the way home and she's holding him back, he will do that really weird spider-y big lick gait. I've only seen him to it 2-3 times, and it's not encouraged, lol, but it's like he has huge impulsion from behind, and being held in at the front, and he will do that crawling gait for a few strides. So it's possible on a barefoot gaited horse, but not probable in my opinion. And it's not that he is throwing his front feet out, it's more that he is doing that squatting type running walk with his hind quarters, if that makes sense. His hind end will squat down and his back legs will go wayyy underneath him.
     
    10-05-2010, 11:02 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Guilherme, you are such a wealth of information!

I am really new to gaited horses (bought my first one last year and she was basically used as a broodmare her whole life), and with the exception of one small show years ago, I have never seen gaited show horses in-the-flesh. My only knowledge comes from one friend who has TWH/ Fox Trotters and trail rides with me, and what I read on the Internet.

It's just a shame they have this stigma, because they are such nice horses for everyday riding!
     

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