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    10-05-2010, 11:04 PM
  #21
Banned
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Originally Posted by Guilherme    
A "rail class," any rail class, is a "beauty contest" (not undifferent from the Miss America Pageant). And in most rail classes you see things that make absolutely no sense except in the context of the rail class. I guess the "Western Pleasure Jog" of the QH might be Exhibit A, with the Big Lick Walker being Exhibit B. Or vice versa.

I have not attended a Walker show in several years. But when I did attend them I'll say that I saw some really blind judges. I saw obviously, seriously lame horses pinned (vice being excused). I saw some horrendous use of the whip to get a Big Lick horse to canter. Saw the same thing in some Plantation classes. I've seen Light Shod horses so sore that they could barely move (but made it through the DQP and and judge didn't seem to notice). Be aware that it was not only at the "Saturday Night" NHSC shows that these things went on but at some Name shows. I saw some at FOSH shows, too. For these, and other reasons, I just quit going.

I'll agree that a minority of Walkers end up in Big Lick training, but 1/4 of 1% would be way off if you were anywhere in Middle TN. That area would turn in much larger numbers. I have no idea what the numbers would be in PA, or anywhere else.

The whole Walker breed bears at least some responsibility for the abuses of the Big Lick horse because the whole population of Walker owners chooses not to take effective steps to end the practice. It could be done in three years (the amount of time it would take to change the TWHBEA Board of Directors). It has not happened; it will not happen. So Walker owners get to bear this burden. Until they decide to unburden themselves.

G.

While I agree that the population of big lick walkers is much increased in TN, it is much decreased everywhere else. You would be hard pressed to find a big lick trainer in PA...let alone a walker barn. There are a few...but not many. I have been to a few bigger walker shows and never saw with my own two eyes the abuse...but I did see two horses be excused for pulling lame. I am not defending this practice, only the breed. If people stopped buying QH because of WP, can you imagine what the rest of the world would be losing? Ropers, barrel racers, jumpers, dressage etc. I think that TWH are the ultimate horse. My favorite horse breed. Very very versitile. Moreso than folks give them credit for. I will defend them.
     
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    10-05-2010, 11:11 PM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
They lean forward as it makes it more difficult to pace when you have your weight on the forehand. Not to mention it is not an easy gait to ride. It is very forward moving.

Leaning back saddleseat wise is common in walkers but not in all saddleseat. For ASB you are looking for a nice upright position with a straight up and down post.
Thank you Corinowalk!

I actually think the "big lick" would be a neat gait to "feel" and ride once just to see what it is like. I just could never do that to a horse. I want to be able to ride them outside an arena, up and down all sorts of terrain, and basically ride them out in the "real world." A horse that is made just to parade around a ring, of any breed, is just NOT what I want in a horse. I want a horse I can actually use. I feel the same way about western pleasure horses too. They are opposite sides of the same coin.

By the way, in the video, anytime the horses were slowed down too quickly they almost fell down. I don't know if that is because they are two year olds, ridden in big bits, all the extra padding and shoeing or what, but they seemed rather uncoodinated.
     
    10-05-2010, 11:48 PM
  #23
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The horse I rode in my youth had the most wonderful canter you had ever ridden. Truely unbelieveable. His only left overs from his big lick training was a high canter and some extra skin on his neck and shoulders from where he was over built on the front and lost it when he became a trail horse. He was an amazing horse who got dealt a raw deal. He was a pampered show horse and when he came down with heaves, he was sent to slaughter because he was a gelding. Had he stayed intact, he would have foals all over the country. My dear old friend picked him out of the auction for $45 and brought him home. Gave him 6 months or so off and he got his wind back. Never coughed another day...never weezed...never lost his wind. That horse could go forever. He lived to be 32...fat and happy riding trails. That was 20 years ago though. Its been atleast 10 years since I showed TWH. The barns I rode for would never sore. Ever. And they did have big licks in their barn. Not a ton but a few. They were all treated well.
     
    10-06-2010, 11:07 AM
  #24
Yearling
Of course there are good barns that don't sore their horses and they outnumber the bad ones, but unfortunately as with so many things the ones that do are the ones that stick out in peoples minds. I've ridden a few outstanding Walkers, as I said I would definitely own one. Really, it's not just Walkers I would want to buy them young. Any horse I purchase I would want to get them young because there are so many disreputable breeders/trainers out there. That way I know they haven't been ill treated, etc... When you think about it some of the things done to show Arabs are absolutely mind boggling, and all just to get them "pepped up" for the ring. It's not just Walkers, but sometimes it seems the depths some will go to are especially low when referring to gaited horses and specifically Walkers since they are the most well known gaited breed. It's not the breed that should suffer, but the people that mistreat the breed. Honestly, I think the fact that these horses can undergo such horrific treatment and remain sane is a HUUGE recommendation for them.
     
    10-06-2010, 01:51 PM
  #25
Weanling
I do not condone soreing in any way, the oil of mustard, diesel fuel, and any other means of fluid that's eats away and causes a horse pain is cruel...

However...

To get high stepping tennesse horses some are trained in heavy shoes, chains/rollers, and rubbers/strechies/bands...

None of those cause a horse pain...to wear a chain for a horse is no different then a women wearing a braclet on her wrist...strechies are also used to rehabilitate horses, and heavy shoes don't cause any more pain then a normal shoe...they are all 3 used to build muscles quick, instead of riding a horse 180+ days to get the high step, they speed up the process...it happens in the RMH world more and more everyday...We outlaw it, don't want it, must be a NATURAL GAIT...

But to say any of those are cruel, is rather closed minded imo..

Nate
     
    10-06-2010, 02:00 PM
  #26
Yearling
The trouble with action devices (including stacks, chains, heavy shoes, streatcies, etc.) is that they are not training devices, they are anti-training devices.

A training device (like a bit or a crop) is designed to send a certain signal to the horse when the rider chooses to send that signal. The rider has complete control over the device and can turn in "on" or "off" as needed/desired.

The "action device" is always "on." It is never "off." When the horse give a correct performance they still get the "negative" feedback of the device. In this sense it's an "anti-training" thing. Or maybe a "counter-training" thing.

They may or may not be "cruel," but they are certainly not something an accomplished horseman would use.

G.
     
    10-06-2010, 02:01 PM
  #27
Banned
I agree. I just wonder how American Saddlebreds get off so easily. While their horses are not wearing stacked shoes, I have known a few to be sored. They wear chains. They wear tail sets. They are gingered. Type in TWH in google and you get all these claims of abuse. Type in ASB and you get these beautiful horses with knees to their noses.
     
    10-06-2010, 02:03 PM
  #28
Yearling
Probably simply because people haven't made such a fuss about ASBs. The key to people being upset and getting this crap stopped is informing the public.
     
    10-06-2010, 02:10 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Guilherme    
The trouble with action devices (including stacks, chains, heavy shoes, streatcies, etc.) is that they are not training devices, they are anti-training devices.

A training device (like a bit or a crop) is designed to send a certain signal to the horse when the rider chooses to send that signal. The rider has complete control over the device and can turn in "on" or "off" as needed/desired.

The "action device" is always "on." It is never "off." When the horse give a correct performance they still get the "negative" feedback of the device. In this sense it's an "anti-training" thing. Or maybe a "counter-training" thing.

They may or may not be "cruel," but they are certainly not something an accomplished horseman would use.

G.
If they are trying to accomplish a big lick TWH, and those devices aid in the final result, then the trainer would be an accomplished horsemen...I've never, and will never use action devices on any horse I train...but just because you or I don't do it, doesnt make it wrong...

I personally don't believe chains, bands, or heavy shoes give the horse any negitive feedback but that's neither here nor there..

Nate
     
    10-06-2010, 02:14 PM
  #30
Weanling
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
I agree. I just wonder how American Saddlebreds get off so easily. While their horses are not wearing stacked shoes, I have known a few to be sored. They wear chains. They wear tail sets. They are gingered. Type in TWH in google and you get all these claims of abuse. Type in ASB and you get these beautiful horses with knees to their noses.
ASBs get off easy...I live about 10 minutes away from Shelbyville, KY...home of the Shelbyville Horse Show, the preview for the Saddlebred World Grand Championships in Louisville, KY...Simpsonville (5 minutes from Shelbyville, is known and welcomed as being the "Saddlebred Capital Of The World"...I've been to many million dollar barns...taking a surgical knife and cutting the muscles on the tail to get an idle tail set? Sounds cruel to me...

Nate
     

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