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post #31 of 38 Old 10-06-2010, 03:21 PM
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If they are trying to accomplish a big lick TWH, and those devices aid in the final result, then the trainer would be an accomplished horsemen...I've never, and will never use action devices on any horse I train...but just because you or I don't do it, doesnt make it wrong...

I personally dont believe chains, bands, or heavy shoes give the horse any negitive feedback but thats neither here nor there..

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Just a difference in opinion, but to me an accomplished horseperson is someone that can get those results without resorting to shortcuts.
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ASBs get off easy...I live about 10 minutes away from Shelbyville, KY...home of the Shelbyville Horse Show, the preview for the Saddlebred World Grand Championships in Louisville, KY...Simpsonville (5 minutes from Shelbyville, is known and welcomed as being the "Saddlebred Capital Of The World"...I've been to many million dollar barns...taking a surgical knife and cutting the muscles on the tail to get an idle tail set? sounds cruel to me...

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I have a big problem with tail sets. Big. I saw a horse at a stable I rode for have her tail cut and then immediatly set. Two weeks later she had a severe infection...not for lack of care, they tried their best...its dirty back there! Poor girl still had to be in that set when she was in pain and infected. Very sad. She went on to be a top horse in the ASB...she also lost her beautiful personality and turned into a horror to be around.
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I've seen trainers use chains to "smooth out" a jerky horse, it can get them moving in a desirable way, and let the horse know what's wanted so he's got an idea for when he's ridden normally. I'm ok with using chains for that, but the whole idea of causing discomfort (through pads, soring, or chains) in order to get the horse to pick his feet up higher is just insane. I've been to those big lick shows, and it's just ridiculous to see those horses going on like that with those big funny steps. Those heavily padded horses have weirdly trimmed hooves, so they can't just have regular shoes slapped on and be turned out in the pasture, they have lives of confinement and performance.
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If they are trying to accomplish a big lick TWH, and those devices aid in the final result, then the trainer would be an accomplished horsemen...I've never, and will never use action devices on any horse I train...but just because you or I don't do it, doesnt make it wrong...

I personally dont believe chains, bands, or heavy shoes give the horse any negitive feedback but thats neither here nor there..

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I most strongly disagree. A "big lick type movement" could be trained into a horse bred for the movement without the use of the stacks and the stuff (legal and illegal) that goes with them. It can't be done in three years, however, and therein lay the problem.

IMO it's less a question of "right" and "wrong" than efficient or inefficient. The building up process will, of necessity, induce serious stress into the horse and will, over time, cause permanant injury. That can, and does, ruin good horses by the age of six. I've seen multiple examples over the years. Go to Walker shows and look at the Big Lick classes. Seldom will you see any sort of aged horse.

The building up of the horse is not training for gait, it's manufacturing one. I can't go there. I will strongly criticise anyone who does.

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ASBs get off easy when it comes to soring, because you cannot sore them. Chains are not soring. Tail sets are not soring. Pads are not soring.

Soring is causing severe pain to the horse's foot and lower leg to enhance the gait.

Simply put, a saddlebred cannot trot high with sore feet. Cannot, and won't. Through my personal experience working with, watching, training, showing, and living the breed, I can tell you with certainty, that a Saddlebred with sore feet loses all motion. There are other abuses in the breed, but soring is not on of them.

Saddlebreds are bred for that kind of motion, whereas the TWH is not.
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post #36 of 38 Old 10-06-2010, 07:13 PM
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How do you know that? Is this a fact?
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The Horse Protection Act (HPA) is a Federal law that prohibits horses subjected to a practice called soring from participating in shows, sales, exhibitions, or auctions.
Source: USDA - APHIS - Animal Welfare - Horse Protection

If it's illegal why is it still happening? Because the officials let it, that's why.
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post #37 of 38 Old 10-06-2010, 08:12 PM
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I'm not getting into the debate, because I know very little about TWHs. I just wanted to share how pretty a TWH is without the forced gait. THIS would be what I'd want to see. Other than that, I'm not offering an opinion.

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I'm not getting into the debate, because I know very little about TWHs. I just wanted to share how pretty a TWH is without the forced gait. THIS would be what I'd want to see. Other than that, I'm not offering an opinion.
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