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    01-29-2013, 06:21 PM
  #11
Foal
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
I'm not getting in on this hot-button topic but:

I grew up in the heart of Amish country. They treated their plow horses with the highest reverence.

The buggy horses were another matter.

The abominable manner in which many of them treated their buggy horses would make folks forget about TWHBEA's monetary and politically driven sins for quite awhile.
I've ran into a few amish buggy horses, I don't know exactly what goes on but their eyes have no light. They turn into machines, they aren't horses anymore just an empty shell of what they once were or could of been. Or you get one that is destroyed mentally and has become dangerous(which is much less common) I ws discussing this whole issue the other day with my husband, I can't even remember where it came up. I think I was viewing a website with slaughter auction horses that was full of old Amish horses.
     
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    01-30-2013, 08:35 AM
  #12
Foal
I've heard this too, that they treat their horses like machines and dump them when they're through. I know it's off topic (not gaited), but does anyone know what they're doing to the horses?

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Originally Posted by BennysLace    
I've ran into a few amish buggy horses, I don't know exactly what goes on but their eyes have no light. They turn into machines, they aren't horses anymore just an empty shell of what they once were or could of been. Or you get one that is destroyed mentally and has become dangerous(which is much less common) I ws discussing this whole issue the other day with my husband, I can't even remember where it came up. I think I was viewing a website with slaughter auction horses that was full of old Amish horses.
     
    01-30-2013, 10:44 AM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Malda    
I've heard this too, that they treat their horses like machines and dump them when they're through. I know it's off topic (not gaited), but does anyone know what they're doing to the horses?
This is pretty much correct. But in their culture the horse is a working part of making a living, not a pampered, luxury good. Maybe a working analogy would be comparing the life of a stock protector (Pyr, Kuvaz, Anatolian, etc.) or military/police working dog to that of a "lap dog."

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    01-30-2013, 11:35 AM
  #14
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Guilherme    
This is pretty much correct. But in their culture the horse is a working part of making a living, not a pampered, luxury good. Maybe a working analogy would be comparing the life of a stock protector (Pyr, Kuvaz, Anatolian, etc.) or military/police working dog to that of a "lap dog."

G.
It goes beyond that. When I say I grew up amongst them, that means we had had a dairy farm in between a couple of their farms. When I moved from OH to PA and lived near another Amish community, things were not any better, regarding the buggy horses.

There were some Amish families who treated their buggy horses with respect but, for the most part, they were (and most likely still are) nothing more than lowest-on-the-totem-pole pieces of replaceable livestock.

Once they literally got "driven hard and put away wet", you could always find them at the next auction. In my area, as an adult, it got to where they were running out of their typical Standardbred stock and they started going after the ASB's that came thru the sale barns.

Sorry but having lived amongst two different sects of Amish in my liftetime and having seen what they do to those buggy horses, comparing the Amish buggy horse mindset to military/police working dog is an insult to the Military.

When I still lived in PA, there was a Sect about 15 miles from me that had a horrendous outbreak of Strangles. Not only did they refuse to involve the vets in our county, they refused to report any of the incidents. Just let the horses die and they would quietly bury them, in the hopes nobody would find out. They didn't count on the Yankee farmer with field glasses that was watching their every move

That was the year I had to get Strangles vaccines for my horses - it was the brand new one that Ft. Dodge had just come out with and the horse in my avatar still got pretty sick from the new and improved version.

The Amish that broke my friend's SSH brothers BEFORE she bought them caused one to be blind in one eye and the other one's tongue was so nearly severed off, the vet marveled that it healed closed. It left a huge amount of scar tissue and he has to wear a special bit. THIS happened in Tennessee

Again, in all fairness, not all Amish treat their horses that way --- just the majority of them. I love the baked goods the women produce but I have no use for the men and how they treat their animals or their women.
     
    01-30-2013, 05:25 PM
  #15
Weanling
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About TWHBEA

The Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' and Exhibitors' AssociationSM (TWHBEASM ), headquartered in Lewisburg, Tenn., is the oldest and most prestigious organization devoted to the promotion and protection of the breed. Founded in 1935, the breed registry was established to record the pedigrees of the Tennessee Walking Horse. Its goal is to maintain the purity of the breed, to promote greater awareness of the Tennessee Walking Horse and its qualities, to encourage expansion of the breed and to help assure its general welfare.
     
    01-30-2013, 07:05 PM
  #16
Showing
The TWHBEA is a breed registry. They do everything that the Livestock Act requires in order to register an animal. They are not a governing body when it comes to horse shows, soring, cruetly or whatever else is dreamed up. That is not what a registry is about. If you don't like their not being involved then do something about it yourself. Start a letter campaign not to the registry but to the show stewards and advertisers. If you want the TWHBEA to do this be prepared to have the cost of registering and transferring to go sky high. Why should we schmucks pay because people want the registry to be a police force?
     
    01-31-2013, 12:21 AM
  #17
Foal
I have to say I see military working dogs and their handlers EVERY day. The handlers have the upmost love and respect for their dogs. In fact you have to work hard just to have the opp. To work with a dog so you know that the soldiers have to love dogs to begin with. A new law passed earlier this week that the military working dogs now have to be seen as a soldier not a dog. Which means when they retire they are put up for adoption to approved homes or if temperament or training insist they get a new job. They used to be killed or sometimes adopted but a new outcry from their handlers helped push this law. Like I said the military themselves have the upmost respect for those animals. Police dogs aren't just seen as working animals either but as officers of the law, yes they are trained to give their lives for the officer yet the officer adores that dog and many if not most take their dogs home after they retire. I can't say anything for livestock dogs, my livestock dog worked my neighbors cattle then came home for a nice bowl of chow and some good lovins, but he was a pet first who decided he wanted to be a cattle dog my neighbor appreciated it. Wow now I"m really off topic.
     
    01-31-2013, 01:33 AM
  #18
Banned
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
The TWHBEA is a breed registry. They do everything that the Livestock Act requires in order to register an animal. They are not a governing body when it comes to horse shows, soring, cruetly or whatever else is dreamed up. That is not what a registry is about. If you don't like their not being involved then do something about it yourself. Start a letter campaign not to the registry but to the show stewards and advertisers. If you want the TWHBEA to do this be prepared to have the cost of registering and transferring to go sky high. Why should we schmucks pay because people want the registry to be a police force?
How much would it cost to bar offenders from ever registering a horse again? How much to NOT promote the lickers in their licker magazine? Um, NOTHING. Zero out of pocket costs.
     
    01-31-2013, 12:04 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by gogaited    
How much would it cost to bar offenders from ever registering a horse again? How much to NOT promote the lickers in their licker magazine? Um, NOTHING. Zero out of pocket costs.
I thought offenders were banned? I saw this a few years within the Arabian world. A very well known trainer who was responsible for a very well known farm including a very very well known stallion. All the horses ended up with surgery for "cribbing" well it just happened that the cribbing surgery also enhanced the neck of all those horses. Well a few other things happened and the well known trainer got a 5yr ban from showing. Of course he's back now still working with the same farm.
     
    03-13-2013, 12:50 PM
  #20
Weanling

Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' & Exhibitors' Association
the Official Breed Registry



Tennessee Walking Horse Numbers
Reveal Slowing Downward Trend


Lewisburg, TN - According to recent breed trends data submitted by breed registries across the country and compiled by the Arabian Horse Association, a number of horse breeds in the United States, including the Tennessee Walking Horse, have experienced an across the board decline in memberships, transfers and registrations. Data submitted by the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' And Exhibitors' Association (TWHBEA) reveals that, after an uptick in 2011, membership in the Association has decreased 13.8% from 10,048 in 2011 to 8,661 in 2012. After falling 15.63% in 2011, transfers steadied somewhat in 2012, only decreasing by 2.69% from 6,876 in 2011 to 6,691 in 2012. Down 14.84% in 2011, registrations continued to decrease in 2012 at a rate of 6.92%. In 2011 4,206 Tennessee Walking Horses were registered and in 2012 that number fell to 3,915. Other breeds that have shown an across the board decrease include Appaloosa, Arabian and Standardbred. Breeds that have shown growth over the past year include the Saddlebred, which saw growth in memberships, the Pinto and Quarter Horse, which each saw more horses transferred,and the Morgan and Half Arabian, which each boasted increases in both transfers and registrations.

Membership
Breed

Increase/Decrease

Saddlebred
3.69% Increase
Morgan
0.50% Decrease
Quarter Horse
1.24% Decrease
Pinto
3.17% Decrease
Standardbred
3.57% Decrease
Appaloosa
4.74% Decrease
Arabian
6.48% Decrease
Paint
8.93% Decrease
Tennessee Walking Horse
13.80% Decresase

Transfers
Breed

Increase/Decrease

Half Arabian
7.17% Increase
Pinto
6.68% Increase
Morgan
4.07%Increase
Quarter Horse
0.27% Increase
Saddlebred
1.59% Decrease
Standardbred
2.44% Decrease
Tennessee Walking Horse
2.69% Decrease
Appaloosa
6.38% Decrease
Arabian
6.85% Decrease
Paint
11.35% Decrease
Paso Fino
13.88% Decrease

Registrations
Breed

Increase/Decrease

Morgan
19.72% Increase
Half Arabian
0.95% Increase
Saddlebred
2.90% Decrease
Tennessee Walking Horse
6.92% Decrease
Arabian
7.19% Decrease
Standardbred
7.58% Decrease
Quarter Horse
7.77% Decrease
Paint
8.95% Decrease
Appaloosa
13.65% Decrease
Paso Fino
22.56% Decrease

About TWHBEA

The Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders' and Exhibitors' AssociationSM (TWHBEASM ), headquartered in Lewisburg, Tenn., is the oldest and most prestigious organization devoted to the promotion and protection of the breed. Founded in 1935, the breed registry was established to record the pedigrees of the Tennessee Walking Horse. Its goal is to maintain the purity of the breed, to promote greater awareness of the Tennessee Walking Horse and its qualities, to encourage expansion of the breed and to help assure its general welfare.
     

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