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    02-05-2010, 12:11 AM
  #21
Green Broke
It is going to be much harder for you to gain support by playing the pointing the finger and passing the buck game.

It seems nearly every TWH supporter ALWAYS does the pointing finger at other breeds, instead of just taking the rap the showers of that breed have earned(yes, I know, not everyone is a big lick shower, but a majority of the horses seen in the public eye are big lickers, hence the shotty reputation for the WHOLE breed)and trying harder to change it.

So what if saddlebreds are treated the same, no one is talking about saddlebreds, they are talking about TWH.

And yes to be a "big lick" the horse is padded usually and chained to get the ridiculous gait, the "big lick" is a slang term used specifically for that horrendous gait...

I have yet to see a horse hit the big lick without pads or chains, could you please show us an example of one that can do it naturally? I am not being snarky but would honestly be amazed if you could produce a single example of a natural "big licker".

And so what if they have to share a spotlight with other gaited breeds, at least they get to be in it at all... Just my opinion.
     
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    02-05-2010, 02:08 AM
  #22
Started
Oh, for crying out LOUD. Every **** soring thread brings Saddlebreds into the mix.
I am so flaming angry over this thread that I am not going to reply how I REALLY want to.

I will simply say that American Saddlebreds ARE. NOT. SORED!

When my temper is more in check, I will attempt to respond more levelly than I want to now about the fact that American Saddlebreds and Tennessee Walking horses are NOT the SAME BREED. They are not trained the same. They are not treated the same. They do not even MOVE the same. American Saddlebreds are a trotting breed and you cannot sore a trotting breed to achieve high motion.

My claim to this comes from many years of working with Saddlebreds, devoting my life to them, attending as many shows/conventions/meetings/events concerning the breed as I can, visiting MANY barns, talking to MANY trainers, watching MANY trainers. I see hundreds of American Saddlebreds a year. I DO have the experience to back up my claims. I CONSTANTLY seek new knowledge on my passion.

Are there problems with MY breed? MANY. Is SORING one of those problems? HELL NO.

If you REALLY want to get into THIS *again*, I will be glad to oblige. If you want to get back on the subject of the TENNESSEE WALKER, then I will withdraw.
     
    02-05-2010, 03:51 AM
  #23
Green Broke
The fact that the TWH association works so hard to convince people the abuse isn't happening is why they have ZERO respect in my eyes. I don't care if maybe 1 in 20 big lick trainers doesn't sore - the association knows **** well it occurs and invests more time, money and effort into trying to cover the whole fiasco up then they do to actually resolve it. These abusive sons of witches just keep getting away with this disgusting behavior because they have everyone so afraid to say boo.

They do not stack Saddlebreds. They show them in show regulated pads, and you will NEVER see a Saddlebred being SHOWN in chains. That is such a disgusting travesty - it's bad enough it's allowed to occur, much less permitting it (heaven forbid, actually making it necessary) to be used in the showring!

American Saddlebred

No stacks. No chains.

The Big Lick TWH

Massive stacks. Chains. Completely unnatural gait. And oh lookey, he won to! Definitely something to be proud of in your breed.

And let's stop to take a minute to appreciate what a TWH is supposed to look like. And how it is supposed to be cared for:



Bless you all who work so hard to end the atrocities to the TWH breed.
     
    02-05-2010, 04:03 AM
  #24
Green Broke
That last picture is beautiful Macabre.
     
    02-05-2010, 11:27 AM
  #25
Foal
For the sake of this conversation, it really does not matter if soring has been completely eliminated or not (which of course it has not), it has been so closely associated with stacks and chains that the two can no longer be disentangled. TWHBEA's continued support of stacks and chains is what is biting them here. Even if things have been cleaned up it is just too late to salvage the idea of stacks and chains as an acceptable practice, and if TWHBEA had any sort of backbone they would just end their support of it. TWHBEA is a breed registry, not a show organization, so there is no need for them to have to accept how show organizations choose to show the breed.
     
    02-05-2010, 12:11 PM
  #26
Showing
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Originally Posted by GaitedGuy    
For the sake of this conversation, it really does not matter if soring has been completely eliminated or not (which of course it has not), it has been so closely associated with stacks and chains that the two can no longer be disentangled. TWHBEA's continued support of stacks and chains is what is biting them here. Even if things have been cleaned up it is just too late to salvage the idea of stacks and chains as an acceptable practice, and if TWHBEA had any sort of backbone they would just end their support of it. TWHBEA is a breed registry, not a show organization, so there is no need for them to have to accept how show organizations choose to show the breed.
I can agree with that up to the "E" in TWHBEA. It stands for "Exhibitor" which can loosly mean "Show". To accomplish the distinction, it needs to drop the "E" from it's name and then it can begin to distant themselves from the Big Lick shows. (Where in the world did that phrase come from anyway?)
     
    02-05-2010, 02:05 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Ok I was just reading through this thread and let me first say that I don't know much about the gaited breeds in general -- except that I've heard of soring (horrible!!) with the TWH's.

But seeing those photos that macabre just posted, I have to ask...WHAT on God's green earth are those CHAINS supposed to do?! I can't believe that any organization would allow a horse to be shown in CHAINS and think that's acceptable!!!!
     
    02-05-2010, 02:42 PM
  #28
Yearling
I am thrilled to hear that the equestrian community is taking a stand. Thanks for the details JollyBadger. Remember, all you people who are disgusted with the soring, you can send money to the organization that is fighting it.
     
    02-05-2010, 02:48 PM
  #29
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Hoofprints in the Sand    
Ok I was just reading through this thread and let me first say that I don't know much about the gaited breeds in general -- except that I've heard of soring (horrible!!) with the TWH's.

But seeing those photos that macabre just posted, I have to ask...WHAT on God's green earth are those CHAINS supposed to do?! I can't believe that any organization would allow a horse to be shown in CHAINS and think that's acceptable!!!!
The chains are supposed to do exactly what they look like - "bite" the horse to make him lift his feet higher. Big lick supporters will claim it's the same as us wearing a bracelet, which is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of because my bracelet doesn't make me flap my hands in the air. If the horse is lifting his legs higher, it's to get AWAY from it, which is just common sense.

The biggest issue with chains is that it is common knowledge that soring up the pasterns will cause that chain to really bite hard and make him fling his legs so high. With soring being so common, it's virtually impossible to win if you DON'T sore your horse because he won't lift his legs as high as a sored horse will.

The association has spent decades and countless amount of money trying to cover this up and deny it exists as opposed to actually doing something about it. Every so often they come out with some news confrence about how the war against soring is going great and soring no longer exists, and it's all completely and utter garbage. They do their OWN investigations, they have fought for decades to keep ALL outsiders OUT and somehow have been granted this status to moniter their OWN going ons.

Fox guarding the chicken coop much?
     
    02-05-2010, 02:51 PM
  #30
Green Broke
Read and be sick to your stomach - this article was from September 2008. I'm sure we've made AMAZING advances in the year since, but somehow I'm not holding my breath considering THIS is the culmination of a decade of anti-soring advocacy:

McConnell opposed USDA inspectors of sored horses (Ky) Tuesday's Horse
     

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