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post #1 of 31 Old 05-24-2010, 07:02 PM Thread Starter
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Walkers 101?

I've fallen in love with walkers! I love the looks, the personality, the gaits --especially that brilliant canter! -- and the versatility.

Recently, I've been offered a 17-year-old TWH mare for a great price. The problem is that I really don't know much about the breed. I've been researching online, but I really want some word from the owners.

What do I need to know? What do you like about them? Any problems particular to the breed? Anything is appreciated.

Also, what's the whole "don't let them pace" thing? What's the difference between that and a running walk?
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post #2 of 31 Old 05-24-2010, 08:16 PM
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Congratulations! Walkers are amazing animals.

I love our walker. She is the sweetest little 3 yr old. I know genetically they tend to have hock problems as they age, other than that I think they are rather healthy animals as a breed.

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I've been warned about that. I was told to watch the hocks and stifles carefully. I'm going to make sure to get the vet to check those out before I buy her... If I buy her. I've got a month to mess around and try her out before hand.

Thanks for the reply, Honeysuga!
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Hey brighteyes! Welcome to the gaited horse world! I totally love all gaited horses, especially walkers. There really isn't a ton to know unless you plan on showing. The gaits are very straightforward and simple...I think they are easier to understand than a 'normal' horse. A walk is a walk...a flat walk is a faster walk...a running walk is a much faster walk. And I totally agree...walkers have the best canters! As far as health problems go...other than the hock issues which usually happen later in life...I can't think of anything that stands out. What I love about them is their personality. Most of them have a comical expression (with that big head, how can you not laugh) and most of them have a good motor with lots of go. Also while your friends are bumping around trying they're very best to sit that extended trot, you can pass them on the outside with barely a wiggle.

As far as the 'dont let them pace' thing goes...its just a preferance. Most walkers are naturally gaited and only pace when they are out of shape or in lazy mode. While the pace is pretty easy to sit, it is nothing compared to the other gaits.

Good luck with your girl! Im sure that you will love her!
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I swear, gaited horse people are so friendly.

I'm a mule person by nature, so a big head are a must. And big ears! Walkers have the second greatest set of ears in the equine world and a very mule-ish look about them. Honorary mules, maybe?

And thanks for clearing up the gaits. I thought that a flat walk was another name for a running walk. I'm going to have to know these terms so I don't look like an absolute n00b.

Thanks again for the reply!
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I don't typically ride Walkers but I do ride gaited and I just wanted to add a little snippet about the "pace". Its actually not great for your horse to travel this way on a regular basis. Can cause musculature and chiropractic issues long term. Try this site Gaited Horses, the site for the SMOOTH ride Enthusiast!, they have some awesome articles about the different gaited breeds, the way they move, how to ride it, etc... Good luck!
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I just love mules too! Its that look...they just look ornery. Dont worry so much about the names of the gaits...spend more time enjoying them!
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Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.


They're just mad because they can't reproduce. Poor hybrid critters, cursed to a life of loneliness.
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Try this site Gaited Horses, the site for the SMOOTH ride Enthusiast!, they have some awesome articles about the different gaited breeds, the way they move, how to ride it, etc... Good luck!
Already found an error on that site.
In addition to the standard walk, trot and canter, the Icelandic horse has tolt, a “running walk”.
The tolt is a rack not a running walk. There's a difference.

You have to be really careful where you get your information from when it comes to gaited horses. The best source, which people on this forum have pointed out before, is the book Easy Gaited Horses by Lee Ziegler.
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Soft gait with a Walker exists on a continuum.

On the right you have the true trot, on the left the true pace, in the center the running walk. Between them you have a wide variety of timings. The sequence of foot fall does not change; only the timing changes.

Soft gaits are highly malleable, in that they can be altered by rider position, saddle placement, rein pressure, foot angle, shoe weight, etc. Professional trainers in every soft gaited breed know this and use this malleability to their advantage (which may or may not be of advantage to the horse). If a breed is defined by its way of going (TN Walking Horse, Racking Horse, MO Foxtrotter, Paso Fino, etc.) there will be pressure on breeders and trainers to have any given horse perform the signature gait. The Poster Horse for abusive practices remains the Walker, as people in that breed engage in some truly horrific methods to obtain a “running walk.” But as the Walker advocates often point out, they are not alone in their poor practices; they have lots of company.

Because the Walker is defined by its way of going much of the information about gait is oriented to obtaining that gait in the show ring. This makes such information questionable. There’s also a very strong “bunker mentality” in a large part of the Walker world which has developed as public criticism of breeding and training practices has become more common. You’ll often find the “daddy did it that’away” approach is gospel. Like the Bourbon Kings of France these people forget nothing and learn nothing. They often, however, hold forth on what they don’t know.

Lee Ziegler was one of the few genuine, gait experts; I most highly recommend her book. She was much more “catholic” in her approach in that she saw that each horse has its own way of going (determined in the breeding shed) and that the rider has the job of determining what gait is native to the horse and then “polishing” that gait to make it efficient for both horse and rider. This approach is optimal for most pleasure riders. It’s a guaranteed loser in the Walker show ring (unless the job was done right in the breeding shed). But so very much information on gait has its roots in show ring practices it’s very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. It takes some time to learn about equine biomechanics, farrier science, riding science and then apply that knowledge to make intelligent choices. With Walkers there’s no magic “pixie dust” (long toes, action devices, heavy shoes, etc.) that some guru can sprinkle on a horse and make it “do” better. Sadly, there’s a lot of if for sale and many get taken when they buy it.

If a rider wants to make their Walker gait “better” they must first define “better.” That’s a “mush” word and reflects prejudice more than fact. If a rider wants to make their Walker smoother or better conditioned or “correct” (as in closer to defined standard of movement) these can be objectively determined. Some things a rider can do with any soft gaited horse, Including Walkers, to make the horse more comfortable and useful:

First, determine that basic husbandry is being correctly done. A horse that’s being fed crap hay, has poorly done feet, or is not properly groomed starts off at a disadvantage.

Second, ensure that tack is correctly fitted and adjusted. As noted saddle position, brindle tightness, etc. can alter the native soft gait. Before intentional alteration is tried find out what is being changed.

Third, the rider has to learn to ride. Go to a trail ride with lots of gaited horses and you’ll see plenty ridden by what’s best described as the “old sack of wheat” rider. They’re not riding, they’re just sitting there. They are often devotees of the “kick and jerk” school of equitation. You can imagine how this will affect way of going.

Fourth, the horse must be properly conditioned. The soft gaits all require more strength and fitness than the trot. This means they must be ridden several times per week to maintain the ability to perform their intermediate gait. The work need not be much more than 30 minutes, but that time is essential. A field kept horse might need a bit less, a stall kept horse a bit more. But when I hear a “weekend warrior” complain “my horse would not gait on our three hour trail ride last Saturday” and then I find out that this was the first time the horse was ridden a month or so my response is, “well, DUH!!!”

Fifth, the rider should have some goals beyond not getting dumped. By challenging themselves to learn something new each month or so the rider will improve their own skills and the skills and fitness of their horse. It need not be an “earth shattering” thing; it can be as simple as learning to take one step at a time in any direction. Or maybe opening and closing a gate without dismounting (actually this is an excellent exercise as it has a bunch of parts; maybe this one is earth shattering). But you get the idea.

Walkers, and other soft gaited horses, are often sold to people with the promise that they are so easy to ride the rider need not develop any real equitation skills. This is a half truth. Many soft gaited horses are exactly that. But if the rider accepts this then they are putting a big limit upon themselves and the horse. They can do this if they want (it’s their horse) but when they begin to complain about equine performance you’ve got to say “go look in the mirror” to find the source of their problems. If they’ve drunk the “bunker mentality kool aid” of their particular breed or type this answer is not well received.

Lee Zigler’s book is an excellent place to begin. Then the rider can build on what they learn.

From the OP’s signature I’m going to presume that they have, in fact, a set of sound equitation skills and that they know about general conditioning and husbandry. With a Walker you don’t want to “collect” the horse as you would a trotter, but rather want to “contain” it within its normal way of going. If you bascule the horse then you’ll lose the gait and gain a trot. If the horse is “strung out” you’ll lose the impulsion from the rear. Many Walkers are trained to hand and seat only and know nothing about the leg; except that the leg has a spur attached. Meaning that the first time to use a spur-less leg you might get a “reaction.” This can be handled with some training. Most Walkers are ridden in curb bits with shanks as long as 9 ½ inches. Transitioning to a lighter bit is not a big deal, but is best done in the school and will take a week or so of regular work to accomplish. Many Walkers have very long toes as that makes a lateral gait smoother; it also greatly stresses the horse. Have the horse trimmed to anatomical correctness to find out what its native gait is. Many Walkers have very heavy plantation shoes (that can be legally as heavy as 48 oz.). If the horse needs shoes use a standard keg shoe (like a St. Croix Eventer).

The Walker can be a good horse, but can also be pretty screwed up by its human connections. Take the time to evaluate it. Good luck in that evaluation.

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