Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central Missouri
"Where you've got a horse that won't respond to the more conventional bits AND proper useage you may need to go this route to "cut through the static so the horse can hear the music." But these are extaordinary situations, not starting greenies (equine or humine)."
The idea here is to give the original poster tried and proven ideas she can try. You've never even tried a double twisted wire bit, making a statement like this is not from any experience and contrary to many years of being proven otherwise. Whose to say what's a conventional bit? What is conventional to you, is sure not conventional to our training for the last 50 plus years. Open thy mind and see the roses. You may find the starting of greenies to be a whole lot easier on them.
IMHO, the snaffle is one of most cruel bits in existence. And, I'm very sure it's one of your more "conventional starting bits". After seeing the difference between starting young horses in either the Mylar, comfort bit, or the double twisted wire, I'd never start a young one in a snaffle.
"It is just false, and demonstrably so, that these devices are not significant pain inducers."
That's plain baloney. You said you have never used a double twisted wire bit. YOU have never tried it, don't try and tell this lady they are something they are NOT. Ever bit, bar none, is a pain inducer. No way it can not be. The trick is to make the pain as little as possible and still get the job done. Any bit can be a very significant pain inducer.
This horse's problem may or may not be the current bit she is using. Nothing at all wrong with trying some others. It is even possible, he'd work better with the high port TWH bit. I've had a few that would work well with that bit, and there was no way we could change, without problems. And that bit is on my "DO NOT USE" list. But if it works, we use it.