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  • Bit ideas for high strung horse

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    08-06-2013, 07:00 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
"I'm finding "Bob's" posts quite entertaining with a LOT of WRONG information from a very closed mind of gaited myths and questionable training abilities.

Thank you BOB for making me laugh for the day but I really hope others do not take you seriously on your "advice" "

Glad you had your entertainment. Before you claim there's " a LOT of WRONG informartion" you should try it, you might like it.

Too bad your not person enough to simply disagree. Just because you do it one way, does not mean another way is laughable. I suppose you still think the earth is flat. Columbus was a big joke too.
Ok Bob, I completely disagree with 99% of your training/instructions/ideas and etc.
I have come to the conclusion that you do not know how to really work with horses in a humane way and are stuck in a MYTH world of training ideas.
To even suggest using a double wire twisted snaffle bit as a starter bit is insane and any GOOD trainer would NEVER suggest this period.
You also made comment about sitting on your pockets with legs forward in order to get a horse to gait which is false again.

I've been training and showing gaited horses since the 70's. A lot of things have changed for the better in training these talented animals without the stupidity or ignorance to learn a easier and safer way to enhance these horses without pain involved.

As for working with double wire snaffles and etc bits, I've had my share with those bits and chose to not use them today. I would rather train the horse to be soft and supple in a normal snaffle bit (or dog bone, lozenge etc)
The only thing that I did agree with from you was the myler comfort bit for certain horses that need tongue relief but that is it.

When the horse is a "finished" horse, then I would put them into a step up bit. (still no double wire snaffle!) But I would never recommend a unskilled hand with a finishing bit on a horse.

Oh and by the way, I ride my gaited horses (and clients) classical dressage ;) two of mine are in myler D ring comfort snaffles and a D- ring snaffle. I also use dressage saddles, a circle y park and trail SQHB saddles on them. Two are barefoot and one with front shoes, oh and they all gait perfectly.

You claim to have 50 years of experience but from what I read from your posts is that you may have owned horses for 50 years but no proper training/instruction from a professional horse person.

You make reference about me "still thinking that the world being flat", I not only know the world is beautifully well rounded with lots of knowledge if one chooses to learn ;) So Bob, have you made it out of MO?
And easy on Columbus, he's my kin folk
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    08-07-2013, 08:25 AM
  #22
Yearling
I rode my gaiting STB in a bosal covered in sheepskin. Her other bridle had a rubber d-ring snaffle. Used the bosal the most.

My current walker has the rubber D on her leather bridle and a kimberwick with a copper roller on her nylon one.

I have never used a wire mouth bit on any horse. Not even when I did a lot of barrel racing. Not even on my team of draft horses.
     
    08-07-2013, 02:01 PM
  #23
Weanling
"no proper training/instruction from a professional horse person"

Sorry, fellow, it was from the true pro trainers that I learned a lot of better ways.
I don't re-invent the wheel. I can not think of any trained methods, I did not get from someone else, NONE.

It's folks with your attitude that prevent the really good trainers from sharing their methods.

Just disagree fine, leave the "I don't know" "don't try my advise" out of it. A lot of folks are looking for better ways.

I was a die hard trainer just like you for far too many years. Wouldn't listen to anything different. Then age caught up with me and I started looking and listening for better ways. You don't have to agree, just leave the jokes, etc, out of it. Many different things will not work for you because your mind set is too entrenched in your current methods. I completely understand that. Been there, done that.
     
    08-07-2013, 10:33 PM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
"no proper training/instruction from a professional horse person"

Sorry, fellow, it was from the true pro trainers that I learned a lot of better ways.
Well I disagree with you and your ??Professional?? Trainers if they taught you the BS that you are posting in the gaited horse section.

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I don't re-invent the wheel. I can not think of any trained methods, I did not get from someone else, NONE.
ok??? You just never advanced into modern times of the gaited horses.

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It's folks with your attitude that prevent the really good trainers from sharing their methods.
If they are training like you, then YES! I've been around gaited horses all my life and never heard of the "methods" as you speak of as a GOOD thing.
Check with Larry Whitesell, and all the other gaited horse clinicians, NONE of them speak about riding on your pockets or to use a twisted wire bit on a horse never the less a green horse!

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Just disagree fine, leave the "I don't know" "don't try my advise" out of it. A lot of folks are looking for better ways.
I posted my opinion and for the safety of the riders and horses will DISAGREE with WRONG information as you have posted.


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I was a die hard trainer just like you for far too many years. Wouldn't listen to anything different. Then age caught up with me and I started looking and listening for better ways. You don't have to agree, just leave the jokes, etc, out of it. Many different things will not work for you because your mind set is too entrenched in your current methods. I completely understand that. Been there, done that.
With your advice and comments to me on this thread and others tell me that you are still a die hard person with limited experience.

As for training, you do not know me or how I work with my horses and clients so please keep your closed minded comments to yourself.

I specialize in gaited horses but work with non gaited horses too.
     
    08-08-2013, 12:08 AM
  #25
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I ride my gaited horse in a long shank broken bit when I want his gait better. But I also jump and run barrels/poles with him. When I am doing these other things with him I use a full cheek snaffle or a regular snaffle. He is not a high strung horse. My 2 yr old rides him by himself (with a spotter).
     
    08-08-2013, 03:09 AM
  #26
Started
I used a twisted wire snaffle on my arab ONCE! I did not have TIME to touch the reins before she flipped her lid. The moment I put the bridle on she was gaping and chomping and tossing her head (the bit was not even too high in her mouth). My mare can be hard mouthed but if she gets that reaction from a twisted D ringed snaffle (that is just sitting in her mouth) I say its a bit harsh. I normally ride my mare in a tomthumb and she is happy and dose not play with the bit.

I may not too much experience with gaitted horses (the only one I got to ride was in a halter and bareback around south mountain XD) But If I where the OP I would try the softest bit I could and go from there.
     
    08-11-2013, 02:03 AM
  #27
Yearling
There's no reason a Gaited horse can't be ridden in any bit like any other horse. The ONLY time I have EVER used a twisted wire was on my FINISHED English gelding I was having to tune up after a while off. With these bits barely any pressure is best. I wouldnt keep a lot of contact with it and I really wouldnt use it to start a horse in. It is an eggbutt and copper. No shanks I am not a fan of shanks as I do not neck rein. I prefer to keep contact and find a loose ring French link plain snaffle to be enough. My "crazy" Arab gelding rides trails and shows in the loose ring French link. Twisted wires can create hard mouthed horses. So can curbs. So can snaffles in the wrong hands. But I find the loose ring French link to be the nicest. That pee wee bit sounds interesting. I may look it up for my new twh gelding. And as for my other gaiteds, I've had a paso fino and another twh. And I rode them both in snaffles. And they Gaited fine. A Gaited horse is no harder to train than a non Gaited. Just different footfall patterns. No special bits or head equipment needed. Lol. You can soften a Gaited horse just as easily as well.
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