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        12-04-2012, 11:51 AM
      #31
    Yearling
    I don't think that's a low head set. The neck rises, she breaks at the poll so her nose is Almost vertical. In my book that's called a dogwalk. Next step would be working walk , then a flat walk with the horse nodding . If you get flopping ears, all the better. There's nothing wrong with that headset. There's a difference between TWH that show with higher steps and a higher neck set. Then there's the way the horse was meant to be. More of a low stepping , lowER neck set like yours and mine , for trail and (plantation, LOL), for covering distances at comfort to both horse and rider.

    People outside this natural gait community are expecting what they see at shows with a high neck. They don't understand that TWH were specifically created for comfy long distance many years ago.

    I belong to a barn that does not have show gaited horses. Just natural , no pads.

    You can lift your hands to lift their neck and pick up speed and rack, but since a rack is inverted, it's not recommended for long periods.

    I'm rambling, LOL.
         
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        12-04-2012, 12:30 PM
      #32
    Foal
    I can't get it all the time, but when I do get the ear flopping it makes my heart happy and makes me

    Patti
         
        12-04-2012, 02:55 PM
      #33
    Weanling
    Quote: "You can lift your hands to lift their neck and pick up speed and rack, but since a rack is inverted, it's not recommended for long periods."

    Where in the world did that info come from. One, a rack is not inverted. It is only inverted when they are trained to do so from poor trainers.
    Two, don't hold a rack for long periods, baloney, all of the natural racking horses I've seen can travel longer distances in the rack than any natural running walk horse. The majority of our trail riding is at a slow rack, hours and hours at a time.

    It might be argued differently, but I think the rack is a much easier gait for the horse to to, than the running walk.
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        12-04-2012, 03:52 PM
      #34
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by montcowboy    
    perfect place for a debate.lol.im just a old cowboy.raided twh horses for years. Not for show.but trail and outfitting. My thoughts on this debate is every horse has a natural place where there neck comes out of there shoulders. As they walk in the pasture or coral you can see there natural alinement . If you put a low head set on a higher natural headed horse.it constricts there breathing. Less air. Big problems. If you put a high head set on a naturally low headed horse..same problem.. when im in the mood to own a low headed horse..i buy one..and visa versa. Just my two cents. Ride safe everyone..keep up a good debate
    You speak total common sense. You can come and be a cowboy to my two horses anytime. They'd love you because you would just let them be...
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        12-04-2012, 04:24 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    The rack is a lateral gait. ALL lateral gaits require a ventroflexed back. This is just simple, equine biomechanics.

    To get an idea of just how the lateral gait works perform this exercise, first described by Dr. Deb Bennett. Get down on all fours on a carpeted floor (for comfort) and “walk” using the normal equine foot fall sequence. Now “trot” moving diagonal pairs. Don’t try for a “moment of suspension.” Get a feel for the movement. Then “pace” using lateral pairs. Again, try and get a feeling for the movement. If you are doing it correctly then you will find the "pace" exercise is considerably more challenging and will require more energy. A correctly performed center gait (running walk or equivalent) is a relatively low energy gait. The trot is next, followed by the pace.

    I'm not a horse and the above exercise is an approximation. It will, however, give some insight into movement and energy budgets involved.

    G.
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        12-04-2012, 05:04 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    Hey Pattilou glad to hear you are working the walk! I do that in every discipline with all of my horses (gaited or not) - endurance, dressage, driving, you name it. My grade TWH plays on both sides of the fence - I spent years working the walk with him trying to bring out the little bit of gait he had and the walking walking walking was good medicine. BUT his genetics for trotting are stronger and as a result, he has become one of my favorite endurance horses and dressage horses. But all of that walking did him good! He has the most lovely flatwalk / dogwalk that I could ride on all day. Not fast, but just smooth. And now, on a good day with some warm up, he'll even give me little foxtrot that is a joy to ride.

    All of the different variations of collection, looseness (the walk), it can go so many ways and is so useful in all disciplines. A very beneficial and often overlooked gait if you ask me.
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        12-05-2012, 12:52 AM
      #37
    Weanling
    I didnt read every post on here, but I like to ride my mare collected and rounded on a loose rein. She gaits best this way and also is happiest this way. I worked the dog walk and flat work for a few months before I went to a run walk with her simply because that is the foundation of a great solid horse an if you can get the flat walk you can get a nice solid run walk. When she would get strung out and lazy I would close the front door with my hands and ask her to open the rear door and move off her back legs. The second I got the result I released the reins and let her move out. Now she knows when I move my legs back that I am asking her to collect and she is a great fun ride! Hope this helps some - sorry I couldnt read all the posts:)
         
        12-05-2012, 08:13 PM
      #38
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    quote: "You can lift your hands to lift their neck and pick up speed and rack, but since a rack is inverted, it's not recommended for long periods."

    Where in the world did that info come from. One, a rack is not inverted. It is only inverted when they are trained to do so from poor trainers.
    Two, don't hold a rack for long periods, baloney, all of the natural racking horses I've seen can travel longer distances in the rack than any natural running walk horse. The majority of our trail riding is at a slow rack, hours and hours at a time.

    It might be argued differently, but I think the rack is a much easier gait for the horse to to, than the running walk.

    Bob, isn't this great that we can disagree and not let it shut down a good discussion? I have to say that I personally have owned a TWH for 7 years, and not any experience before that. In the past 3 years I've been at a TWH (non-show) barn and had alot of learning. So I really do not have enough experience to argue these points.

    My learning these 2 points has come from a Liz Graves book, and a mb of gaited horse people hell bent on keeping their horses healthy. My own personal experience is my mare can flat walk for a few miles, and when we turn around, she can slow rack all the way back-but I never asked for it, LOL
         
        12-06-2012, 11:09 AM
      #39
    Weanling
    Well..as far as going for distance. Trot is where its at. Any horse walking versuses trotting loses... why the indians had what we call today as the indian trot. Covers miles and miles.pretty easy to ride. And any horse thet can walk as fast as it is. Can't do it as long as the indian trot can.as far as racking.walking. Its about the beat..hoof beat that is. Four beat is smoother and last longer then two beat. Just a fact. As far as smoothness in riding. Give me a good four beat gate. Low head set. Ears flapping. And im in heaven. 30 years of walkers and I love them. Im back to quarter horses.. and do miss a good walker at times. Like when im way back in the mountains..hit a good open logging road..20 miles to get out. I really really miss a good running walk right then..lol.. ride safe everyone.
         
        12-06-2012, 11:16 AM
      #40
    Yearling
    Montcowboy, did you mean "trot is where it's at" or "flat walk is where it's at" ?
         

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