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    01-21-2013, 09:45 PM
  #11
Weanling
Pace, for sure.

BUT, the rider has his butt on the cantle and his feet on the dashboard. Do that right and you can get a warmblood to pace!!!

OK, that's an overstatement. But the way he's being ridden is pushing him to pace, no matter what his "native" gait might be. Right now, if I were interested, I'd be looking at sire, dam, and siblings. What kind of gaits are they showing at maturity. Also what, if any, physiological difficulties do his siblings show?

What's the asking price? Stallion or gelding?

War Story: I learned a hard, and expensive, lesson with blue roan gelding back in the early '90s. He was a looker and I got lost in his lovely color. I failed to notice the injuries he's sustained during his training as a Big Lick horse (he was the third horse I ever bought; I was greener than he was). He was three and half when I bought him for a premium price. Within six months I sold him as a pasture ornament at meat price because he was so lame under any kind of load.

Lessons learned:

1. The Big Lick process, even without soring, causes permanent damage to even a horse bred to the process.

2. A pacy horse is a project horse no matter how much you pay for it.

3. You can cover up a lot of problems in horses with drugs.

4. Ignore color and don't ignore conformation.

5. If your eye is not experienced then the PPE process is your friend.

Walk very carefully here.

G.
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    01-21-2013, 09:54 PM
  #12
Weanling
The situation of this horse is a little different. The owner passed away suddenly and he had just started ridding him. The young man that you see riding this horse is a neighbor helping out the wife of the owner. She needed some pictures and video's so that she can sell him. The rider is an inexperience gaited horse rider. So the horse is not broke just have been sit on about 5 or 6 times counting the time of the pictures and the video that I don't know how to send. They live about 5 hrs from me one way. I wish I wasn't such a sucker for pretty horses and sad stories.
     
    01-21-2013, 10:05 PM
  #13
Weanling
The wife said that her husband was very hopeful about this horse. He has had several horses that he has trained and he had told her he thought this one is going to be his best. But due to unforeseen situation he passed away last summer and didn't get to finish him out. She said that the horse's parents have very smooth gaits. Se even bred him to her mare before she had him cut this fall. She really thinks highly of this horse.

I am wondering now that his pace might have been from the way the rider was riding him and the horse learning how to balance himself and a rider......

I am still looking for another blue roan just in case.....

I am not going to rush into it. I have asked for another video with a more experience gaited horse rider. She is going to try to get one for me but how soon will depend on the weather.

So, if anyone knows of a blue roan gaited horse for sell, let me know.
     
    01-21-2013, 10:21 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
It's been our experience with pacey ones, that cantering them only makes them worse. I've heard more folks say it doesn't help than those that say it helps.

What ever you do, never ever, let him pace or trot. To do so is teaching him to pace and/or trot.

And no way, would I spend big bucks for a gaited horse that is not already set in it's gait. TOOOOO, big a gamble, and a pacy, gaited horse, regardless of pretty will not bring much money.

If he where trotty, you'd have a much better chance of bringing him around. Put a pace is the toughest to fix. That's why you see so many pacey TWH. They breed them to pace to get the big lick. If they don't make the big lick status, they dump'em.
I have only had a few truly pacy twh I have personally dealt with and I had great success getting them to gait good enough for me I am no big lick or otherwise show person and am not a professional but have a great deal of experience with walkers and other gaited breeds . I do agree that there is no good color for a bad horse and you should always have any horse evaluated by a breed specific pro trainer that you can trust the opinion of before spending hard earned $ on any horse. Jmo
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    01-21-2013, 10:28 PM
  #15
Foal
Check out promisedlandwalkers.com Bill and Trisha Barnes breed and sell Ebony's masterpiece line blue roans that in my experience have been great gaited horses. I am not sure where you are but check them out. Really nice people to.
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    01-22-2013, 01:26 AM
  #16
Weanling
I was told that the trotting was easier to fix than a pacey gait, but I only have Paso Fino experience. That is what the trainers told me. My horse was doing a trotty gait instead of his fino gait.
     
    01-22-2013, 08:35 AM
  #17
Weanling
The vast majority of Walkers, particularly in KY or the Southeast, will be pacers. That's because this is the heartland of the Big Lick and that's what the "professionals" breed for. The pace builds up better than a square moving horse. A trotty Walker in that area will be a wonder for sure!

I understand the desire for color. I once bought a nice mare, and overpaid for her, because she was a big, pretty blond...er...I mean palomino.

She was a pacy horse and we squared her up pretty well with exercise. It was a several month project and we really didn't get the best from her until she was over six year old. She was also a walking "blond joke." She had less trail sense than any horse I've ever owned. If there was an easy way and a hard way to do a job she'd pick the hard way every time. In the end I sold her to a nice lady who was going to breed her and probably do just light riding on her on prepared trails. She would do well in that circumstance.

Just as an aside, my current stallion is a palomino, the only palomino Marchador stallion in the U.S.

This is him:

Kate Barcelos, DVM, an ABCCMM Technical Inspector From Brazil, Riding Ritmo During the Trail Test photo by Smile225 | Photobucket

One more time:

BillandRitmoinGait002_zps5dfb27e8.jpg photo by Smile225 | Photobucket

Be very careful in buying for color. Single objective breeding programs are real "minefields" full of problems. Unless you are very experienced it's easy to step on one. Breeding for color is one of the most problematical areas. Like I say, I'm not immune to the disease. But, with age and experience, I've learned to control it's worst symptoms!!!

Good luck in your search.

G.
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    01-22-2013, 03:21 PM
  #18
Weanling
If he were trotty, you'd have a much better chance.

The pacey ones have a real tendency to revert back to pacing even if you get them started gaiting.

Your chances of a good solid gaiting horse are about 1 in a 1000.

Your best chance at getting him to gait are to practice gaiting up steep hills as slow as you can possible get. Then walk down and backup. Some of them will start gaiting and every once in a while, it sticks..

I sure would not give much for him. If he never gaits you have a horse that won't bring $200.00. As cheap as horses are now, I'm sure you can find one just as pretty and gaits.
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    01-22-2013, 03:55 PM
  #19
Yearling
I'm one of those people who own gaited horses that do other gaits than what their breed dictates...LOL.

My foxtrotter tends to pace heavily coming out of winter but if worked regularly for about three months (an hour or so every other day), his foxtrot will come out and it is to die for and show worthy (just some conditioning). But since I'm not riding regularly, the pace is what I get when I ride him and it is actually quite comfortable when slow and I enjoy it just fine. And yes, cantering a horse who likes to pace can be a bit of an experience - they tend to crossfire badly and will canter in one lead in the front and the other lead in the back at the same time. It takes work to get them straightened out - months and months of conditioning.

My TWH likes to trot -trotting was natural to him and we did distance riding at the trot for a long time. Now with some conditioning (key word) he will do a very nice slow gaited walk that is a dream to ride. He can't do it very fast and it isn't his favorite gait to do, but he CAN do it. But I don't drill him in that gait trying to make him something he isn't.

You'd need to meet the horse, ride the horse and then make a decision. There are so many other influences as well - rider, saddle fit, conditioning, maturity. So just because he might do something that is different than what his breed dictates, if your rear finds it to be quite comfy, well in the end, it's what you want and like that matters most. So I say go up there and get in the saddle and see what you think!
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    01-22-2013, 04:04 PM
  #20
Weanling
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Originally Posted by clippityclop    
I'm one of those people who own gaited horses that do other gaits than what their breed dictates...LOL.

You'd need to meet the horse, ride the horse and then make a decision. There are so many other influences as well - rider, saddle fit, conditioning, maturity. So just because he might do something that is different than what his breed dictates, if your rear finds it to be quite comfy, well in the end, it's what you want and like that matters most. So I say go up there and get in the saddle and see what you think!
I'm in that club too. My Paso actually trots too LOL

I don't care a whole lot. He was cheap. He was a craigslist Impulse buy b/c I have always wanted a Paso Fino. It just so happens that I ended up with one who is built beautifully and well bred too. If he trots sometimes, it's not a big deal to me. I'll never show him. He's just a trail horse. He came with a lot of issues (very spooky, untrusting, hot, etc). His gait is the least of my worries. He has come a LONG way. He's actually a pretty decent trail horse now. I'm pretty sure no one else in this world would love him like I do lol He's a freak.

But, he didn't cost a lot of money either. If I wanted a super smooth horse and I was going to pay a decent amount of money, then I would get something that I want and not one with issues.
     

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