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  • Can a grade horse gait..?
  • Grade horse pacing gait

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    01-22-2013, 04:17 PM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by OneFastHorse    
I'm in that club too. My Paso actually trots too LOL

I don't care a whole lot. He was cheap. He was a craigslist Impulse buy b/c I have always wanted a Paso Fino. It just so happens that I ended up with one who is built beautifully and well bred too. If he trots sometimes, it's not a big deal to me. I'll never show him. He's just a trail horse. He came with a lot of issues (very spooky, untrusting, hot, etc). His gait is the least of my worries. He has come a LONG way. He's actually a pretty decent trail horse now. I'm pretty sure no one else in this world would love him like I do lol He's a freak.

But, he didn't cost a lot of money either. If I wanted a super smooth horse and I was going to pay a decent amount of money, then I would get something that I want and not one with issues.
Love paso horses but a lot of them are "hot" and "spooky" but that is a desirable trait in the show world. I worked @ a national championship level barn for a while the horses were a lot of fun to ride. Seemed like your sitting on a keg of tnt with the fuse lit lots of energy in those little guys

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    01-22-2013, 04:55 PM
  #22
Weanling
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Originally Posted by trailwalker    
Love paso horses but a lot of them are "hot" and "spooky" but that is a desirable trait in the show world. I worked @ a national championship level barn for a while the horses were a lot of fun to ride. Seemed like your sitting on a keg of tnt with the fuse lit lots of energy in those little guys

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Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with the way they are trained in the beginning. I'm pretty disgusted with what I have seen as far as Paso training. It's no wonder the horses turn out hot and spooky.

My horse actually isn't hot. He was at the beginning, but he was on sweet feed (high sugar) and hadn't been ridden for over a year. Once I got him onto a low NSC diet and started riding him, he came down. He walks along with his head to his knees like any old trail plug now. Paso ppl always say "if you want a trail plug, don't get a paso." Not really true. If you LET them be a plug, most of them will. But, no one else I ride with has gaited horses, so we go at stock horse speeds... the head dragging walk LOL

Mine is spooky, but he's not terrible. MUCH better now that I have done A LOT of desensitizing ground work with him.

My only real issue with him now is he is a little buddy sour. He'll ride out alone no problem, but if I take the other horse out he pitches a fit in his stall. And when we ride in larger groups, he tends to get a little goofy when the herd starts moving. I think he's just afraid to be left behind. He's a constant work in progress, but coming along.

That and strangers can't get anywhere near him if he's loose. Which isn't an issue for me. Just means no one will steal him LOL
     
    01-22-2013, 07:41 PM
  #23
Weanling
Thanks everyone for the input. I know that they are asking way to much for this horse. I am telling myself it will be a mistake. If I hadn't asked advise from this forum, I would have bought the horse and then kicked myself in the rear end for making such a stupid mistake. I am going to check out the other horses that has been suggested on this forum.

Truly, I don't need another horse. Buying horses is one of my weakness......
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    01-22-2013, 08:10 PM
  #24
Weanling
By spacing poles correctly you can break his pace by making him trot. By making him trot you can achieve better muscling which will lead to gait. I would find a good trainer in your area and have them go with you to see and possibly ride the horse to see if he can be trained in this method. Gaited horses can trot and I know many people who will use the trot with poles to correct problems in often lazy horses.

If you want a blue roan have you considered a gaited breed beyond a TWH? There are a few other breeds that have some gorgeous roans.
     
    01-23-2013, 08:05 AM
  #25
Foal
This is the same thing the icelandic breeders told me. The horses with the best tolt were the four gaited. Five gaited were pacey and would always resort back to a pace if not conditioned properly. Once a trotting icelandic learned to tolt, they pretty much kept it.

If you cannot ride this horse before buying, I'd suggest passing. The only thing that matters is if you find his gait comfortable. Most gaited horses pace and their owners are perfectly happy with it.

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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
If he were trotty, you'd have a much better chance.

The pacey ones have a real tendency to revert back to pacing even if you get them started gaiting.
     
    01-23-2013, 09:47 AM
  #26
Weanling
"Most gaited horses pace and their owners are perfectly happy with it"

Interesting comment. Where and what would make you think this is true.

Most gaited horse gait-rack, running walk, corto, largo, etc, or they would not be gaited horses.

It is true that a lot of TWH breeders, breed for the pace in order to get the big lick, BUT, they are in the minority compared to the entire gaited horse spectrum. Some may start off trotty or pacey, but most of the truly good gaited horses do it naturally from the get go. They, of course, are the ones you never hear about. They are bred to gait. It is the problematic ones we hear about, on forums, newsgroups, etc.
     
    01-23-2013, 04:43 PM
  #27
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
"Most gaited horses pace and their owners are perfectly happy with it"

Interesting comment. Where and what would make you think this is true.

Most gaited horse gait-rack, running walk, corto, largo, etc, or they would not be gaited horses.

It is true that a lot of TWH breeders, breed for the pace in order to get the big lick, BUT, they are in the minority compared to the entire gaited horse spectrum. Some may start off trotty or pacey, but most of the truly good gaited horses do it naturally from the get go. They, of course, are the ones you never hear about. They are bred to gait. It is the problematic ones we hear about, on forums, newsgroups, etc.
I suspect that the term "pace" is used, here, in its "generic" form (a laterally gaited horse) vice its technical meaning. It's an unfortunately "sloppy" use of language but a very common use of language.

Possibly it's a regional thing. In the South East the dominant gaited breeds are the Walker, Racker, and SSH. All share a common genetic heritage. All share the damage done by the Big Lick breeding practices of the past 50+ years. Since there are so very few horses that perform a running walk there are very few people that know what one looks like or feels like. They are happy in their ignorance.

Numbers wise, the Walker/Racker/SSH combination probably dwarfs all other gaited breeds, combined. Again, it's a bit "loose lipped" to toss Paso Finos and Mangalarga Marchadors into the same pot as the big three combination, but it's also pretty common.

Tighten up language and you have less chance of misunderstanding.

G.
     
    01-23-2013, 05:03 PM
  #28
Yearling
I think I know what Malda meant - gaited horses that pace are common and that even tho some folks would find that to be an undesirable trait in a gaited horse, some people are fine with it and don't mind it at all and it all comes to personal preference. In other words, don't pass up a good trail horse/riding horse with a tendency to pace if in reality, the horse is a great match for the rider, is smooth to ride no matter what he's doing, and he's safe and sound in what he does.

Now of course showing in breed shows is a different story...
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    01-23-2013, 08:28 PM
  #29
Foal
Well, I've searched for a gaited horse three times now, so that's over 60 horses I've looked at (that's only about 20 horses each time, but I know I've seen more than that). Breeds include: SSH, TWH, Rocky/Kentucky Mtn, MFT, Icelandic and maybe five Paso Fino's. The paso's gaited, and *one* walker gaited. That's it. Everything else paced, one of the MFT's even had the camel hump walk. None of the icelandics was trained to gait, according to the breeders tolting isn't very common (and it's highly discouraged on the trails).

On our trails there are several TWH's, a couple of MFT's and Rocky Mtn's, and some grade horses. They all pace, and as I said the owners are perfectly happy with it. I've never met the owner of a pacing horse who didn't think it was smooth.

A smooth, 4 beat gait is rare and expensive. I had a 5k limit on a horse which won't buy one that gaits. BTW, I wasn't looking at gaited horses exclusively, they were just on the list of breeds that I would consider for a trail horse.

Gaited horses do not gait, they pace. All breeds except Paso's.


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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
"Most gaited horses pace and their owners are perfectly happy with it"

Interesting comment. Where and what would make you think this is true.

Most gaited horse gait-rack, running walk, corto, largo, etc, or they would not be gaited horses.

It is true that a lot of TWH breeders, breed for the pace in order to get the big lick, BUT, they are in the minority compared to the entire gaited horse spectrum. Some may start off trotty or pacey, but most of the truly good gaited horses do it naturally from the get go. They, of course, are the ones you never hear about. They are bred to gait. It is the problematic ones we hear about, on forums, newsgroups, etc.
     
    01-23-2013, 08:45 PM
  #30
Foal
I saw your post after I responded to bbsmfg3's post. This is what I call a pace. For sale in California. :) All gaited horses here move like this.

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There are too few people in the gaited community who understand gaiting. I spend a lot of time before I looked for my first horse looking at videos of gaited horses so I would know what I was looking at, I didn't want to sound ignorant when I talked to gaited sellers. :) I was surprised to find out even breeders didn't know what pacing was, much less owners. People kept showing me their gaited horses, insisting that the horse was doing the correct gait because it had "papers". I hear people on the trail talking about their horse's running walk, or fox trot, etc., when all the horse is doing is pacing.

I did mention that the Paso's gaited, they're just not very smooth. I had to post on the Paso's. Too bad, I really liked them. I love hot, forward, sure footed, non-spooky horses. And they had nice canters.


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Originally Posted by Guilherme    
I suspect that the term "pace" is used, here, in its "generic" form (a laterally gaited horse) vice its technical meaning. It's an unfortunately "sloppy" use of language but a very common use of language.

Possibly it's a regional thing. In the South East the dominant gaited breeds are the Walker, Racker, and SSH. All share a common genetic heritage. All share the damage done by the Big Lick breeding practices of the past 50+ years. Since there are so very few horses that perform a running walk there are very few people that know what one looks like or feels like. They are happy in their ignorance.

Numbers wise, the Walker/Racker/SSH combination probably dwarfs all other gaited breeds, combined. Again, it's a bit "loose lipped" to toss Paso Finos and Mangalarga Marchadors into the same pot as the big three combination, but it's also pretty common.

Tighten up language and you have less chance of misunderstanding.

G.
     

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