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post #91 of 347 Old 07-23-2013, 09:55 AM
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One of the questions I have is if heaven is such a wonderful place, why haven't all the Christians committed suicide? If it is so wonderful how can one condemn abortion? What happens with the revelation? Will families be split up because some one didn't quite live up to expectations? Imagine driving on a freeway at 100mph and the driver suddenly disappears-gone to be with god. I'd be curious as to how many Christians have read the bible cover to cover? I wonder how they will justify the horror stories to do with what god commanded. Disobedient children are to be sacrificed to god, the throats of gluttons (obese) are to be slit. If a woman disobeys her husband she's to be taken to the edge of town and stoned to death. How many Christians have done that or have they disobeyed the bible?
Oh, all the questions I have asked. You see, the bible was put together long after Christ was gone. It was also put together by a group of Anglo-Saxon males who sifted through piles and piles of scrolls to create just what fitted their purpose at the time. Many of the writings in the bible can be explained away because of the time in which it was written.

Suicide - considered a sin amongst Catholics - you will go to hell apparently.
Abortion - again another sin, yet if you have a baby outside of marriage he will forever be called a ******* - so as a single female who's pregnant your ****ed (according to Dr Laura - she makes my skin prickle)

I once asked a prominent baptist pastor (and I'm not afraid to ask and debate with someone of a religion) do animals go to heaven? His reply 'no, they don't have a soul so they don't go to heaven' my response - ' the. How does Jesus come flying out if heaven on a white horse in Revelation?'........bahahaha! He didn't quite know what to say....
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Anyone who dares to say my animals have no soul >:(
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Oh, all the questions I have asked. You see, the bible was put together long after Christ was gone. It was also put together by a group of Anglo-Saxon males who sifted through piles and piles of scrolls to create just what fitted their purpose at the time. Many of the writings in the bible can be explained away because of the time in which it was written.

Suicide - considered a sin amongst Catholics - you will go to hell apparently.
Abortion - again another sin, yet if you have a baby outside of marriage he will forever be called a ******* - so as a single female who's pregnant your ****ed (according to Dr Laura - she makes my skin prickle)

I once asked a prominent baptist pastor (and I'm not afraid to ask and debate with someone of a religion) do animals go to heaven? His reply 'no, they don't have a soul so they don't go to heaven' my response - ' the. How does Jesus come flying out if heaven on a white horse in Revelation?'........bahahaha! He didn't quite know what to say....
I feel the need to correct the above statement in bold.

The bible was not put together by a group of Anglo-Saxon men long after Christ. The Old Testament was written long before Christ, and the New Testament was written in the 60 or so years following Christ's death, by men who were of Middle Eastern descent (Jewish), and many of whom knew Jesus personally.

Catholic Theology was written by a group of Anglo-Saxon men. What escapes most people's recognition is that the Catholic Church is not the definition of Christianity, nor is the Church doctrine a valid replacement for Scripture. In fact, Catholic Theology and Doctrine very often completely contradicts what the Bible clearly states.
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Here's the thing- people have the right to say they don't want to hear from religious folk, and putting up 'no trespassing' signs is a very good way to make it known that they aren't interested in having their time taken up, their privacy invaded, etc. so while they were 'supposed' to be going door to door, they still definitely have to live by the same rules as everyone else and respect another persons' rights. That can't really be defended, in my opinion.
Hang on......Mormons (Latter Day Saints) follow a different doctrine than your everyday baptist/Lutheran/Protestant etc.........

It is part of their faith to spread the word, therefore door knocking.

Infact, three of the books they follow I haven't even seen, so can't speak to it, but they follow the King James Bible which is different from your standard Bible because of how it's been translated......hmmm I might have to ask about this.

Also, Jehovah's Witness are not the same as LDS and have a few different ideas and beliefs, yet spreading the word is part of their beliefs.
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But they should still respect no trespassing and no soliciting signage :)
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I feel the need to correct the above statement in bold.

The bible was not put together by a group of Anglo-Saxon men long after Christ. The Old Testament was written long before Christ, and the New Testament was written in the 60 or so years following Christ's death, by men who were of Middle Eastern descent (Jewish), and many of whom knew Jesus personally.

Catholic Theology was written by a group of Anglo-Saxon men. What escapes most people's recognition is that the Catholic Church is not the definition of Christianity, nor is the Church doctrine a valid replacement for Scripture. In fact, Catholic Theology and Doctrine very often completely contradicts what the Bible clearly states.
Yes it was - the OLD testament was written before Christ and was in bits and pieces all over creation and was compiled Many many many years after the death of Christ, it was in no way available for the masses to view. Also what we have today as the bible is only a snippet of all that was written before and after the time of Christ. Catholics have their own set of rules and interpretations, I am speaking of Protestant based branches of faiths. Catholicism and Protestant faiths have branched of from ONE book - the Bible. Any little interpretations they've made in context to suit their desires has nothing to do when the bible was compiled or written.
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Exactly - as I said before, the bible states that man should obey the laws of his land. However not being familiar to the books the LDS and JWs follow they may have a different take on this:)
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Yes it was - the OLD testament was written before Christ and was in bits and pieces all over creation and was compiled Many many many years after the death of Christ, it was in no way available for the masses to view. Also what we have today as the bible is only a snippet of all that was written before and after the time of Christ. Catholics have their own set of rules and interpretations, I am speaking of Protestant based branches of faiths. Catholicism and Protestant faiths have branched of from ONE book - the Bible. Any little interpretations they've made in context to suit their desires has nothing to do when the bible was compiled or written.
Not to be argumentative, but isn't that what I just said...that the Old Testament was written before Christ? Also, the canon of the Old Testament was established before Christ. Bible Canon refers to the collective group of writings that were (and continue to be) widely accepted to be authentic and not Apocryphal.

I agree with you that interpretations made to suit agendas have nothing to do with the Bible...again, that was the point of my posting. And the Protestant branches of faith may have left Catholicism, but they retained much of the same beliefs, many not Bible-based. For example, did you know that the Cross was a pagan (non-biblical) symbol long before Christ was on the earth? Did you also know that the belief in hellfire and immortality of the soul also were pagan (non-biblical) beliefs that were assimilated into the "Christian" belief system developed by Catholics and Protestants?
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Not to be argumentative, but isn't that what I just said...that the Old Testament was written before Christ? Also, the canon of the Old Testament was established before Christ. Bible Canon refers to the collective group of writings that were (and continue to be) widely accepted to be authentic and not Apocryphal.

I agree with you that interpretations made to suit agendas have nothing to do with the Bible...again, that was the point of my posting. And the Protestant branches of faith may have left Catholicism, but they retained much of the same beliefs, many not Bible-based. For example, did you know that the Cross was a pagan (non-biblical) symbol long before Christ was on the earth? Did you also know that the belief in hellfire and immortality of the soul also were pagan (non-biblical) beliefs that were assimilated into the "Christian" belief system developed by Catholics and Protestants?
Absolutely I am aware of that - hence my non-belief. Apparently Easter eggs are the devils testicles too - according to a pamphlet handed out to me about a decade ago
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The Old Testament wasn't compiled into one book, it was originally word of mouth stories that eventually got written onto scrolls which only the temple priests had access to. So the masses had nothing but what the priests said and their own stories to go on, not an actual book.

The Old and New Testaments weren't put into any kind of recognizable book form for the masses until the 1600s, and those that did were under penalty of death if caught selling or giving away copies. Even then, the stories that made it into today's Bible were determined upon by priests and monks since the writings had always been the province of the religious orders.

So, the originals were word of mouth stories that were changed and embellished to suit the needs, moods and opinions of the story tellers. The first texts made from the stories were written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, which means whoever did the translating also did it with their own interpretations in mind. Even when the texts were translated to English, there were fierce debates about how a particular word or phrase should be translated, as depending on the original language in which they were written they could mean different things.

Those translations and their meanings are still hotly debated today, which is why there are currently 233 different English versions of the Bible.
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