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post #101 of 347 Old 07-23-2013, 10:44 AM
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Since the point of this thread isn't to debate the authenticity of the Bible, I will refrain from making any further statements in this regard, out of respect for the OP. However I will say that there is much archaeological and historical proof that supports the Bible's authenticity, for those with an open mind and who are willing to consider all facts available. For those who have already decided to ignore those facts, nothing anyone else says will change that.
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Anyone who dares to say my animals have no soul >:(
Well, it wasn't people gathered around in the manger. When people insinuate or flat out state this type of non-sense, I just chalk it off to ignorance and arrogance. I also chalk(ed) off the all powerful and knowing "scientist" that treat(ed) other animals like globs of nothing but motor response and "instinct" when all one has to do is open their eyes to determine that cannot be true. Science also decided humans were so special (no telling what "science" that was based on) that they even evolved differently from all other species. It seems faith (believing in that which you cannot see and prove) is only a stones throw from this sort of "science"....which decides what is true because no attempt is made to prove the obvious. It is finally changing, but that "slow" on the uptake isn't what I would associate with intelligence.

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I haven't read all the pages but I'm going to comment anyway, and it's going to be long and boring but I'm bored and have nothing else to do.

I'm not quite an atheist, I believe in something I just don't know what. I guess I border somewhere between agnostic and vaguely something else.

I grew up never really experiencing Christianity, my family is not Christian, I was excused from all bible classes back then (now they're not allowed in public schools) and never had been to church. Later, I went to university and me and this girl became very close friends, she's still one of my best friends. And she is Christian, and the proper kind, church at least once a week, bible study groups, volunteering and making choices based on her religion. I went to church with her to find out more, and met a lot of churchy people.

So I started to realise what I believed was conversion was something a bit different. These people believed, without a doubt really, in their god and in heaven and hell. They also believed, without a doubt, that people who did not repent would go to hell, and they were good people and for them, thinking that their classmates, their friends, or even strangers were going to spend an eternity in hell was pretty awful. I imagine it a bit like looking at someone and seeing that they're about to be hit by a car they can't see yet, I'd try to save them. So looking at it from that perspective I can see that if you're a good person, and you believe, it's hard not to try and convert people.

However, I also found that a lot of these people lived in a rather insular subculture. All their family was religious, their friends were religious, they met new people through church. They were raised in an environment where religion was the norm. I found that this meant that a lot of them couldn't really relate too well to other people. Some could, but others not so much. So without understanding and accepting non-religious people, their efforts came across forceful, blunt and just would never work.

I don't like how people try to convert, I hate it when they won't back off when I say no. But I think I understand it more now.

However, perhaps we do the same to them. Theology (as opposed to religion) is not taught in public schools here and that is, in my opinion, certainly the way it should be. I have no problem children being taught about religion, I certainly was, but it must be from an outside perspective, and it must cover most or all major religions, religion, among other things, is to be taught at home. And I religion super interesting, I took a few classes at university. But science is taught in every school. I believe in science, perhaps I don't have the faith in it like others do, but I believe all should be taught it.

Yet to a conservative religious person, we're preaching against their beliefs. Because for some people the two have to be mutually exclusive. A conservative Christian and an atheist scientist come together and none will give. Those with faith only in what can be experienced and predicted and repeated are just are blinded as those who have faith in a god. Yet to both people so many things are unknowable, as is the nature of the world.

So to me, I guess I try to listen. I always ask questions, probably too many because I think that thinking is the best thing to do. I think if more people learned about whatever they don't know, and really thought about it then there would be less conflict, and not nearly as much attempted conversion. Asking questions doesn't just make me think, it makes the person think as well. I think I taught my religious friends a lot by asking them about their religion in ways they hadn't been asked before.
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The writings of the bible were borrowed from over 5500 transcripts. Let's suppose there are 5 or 6 smucks who've been given this job of editing. The hours are long, the candlelight it hard on the eyes and soon they decided to liven the stories up a little, to break the monotony and who's going to know? So now there's a revised and edited version. Wait a minute, still too big, it would take a donkey to carry a tome like that. More editing. Well now, these 6 schmucks are the only ones who can read this so it must be translated into another language so others can read it. And on it went. Translation after translation and more and more editing. The most drastic editing came about with the invention of the press. Then King James ordered a new revised version that could be printed. Is there anything of the original transcripts in the present day bible?
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The writings of the bible were borrowed from over 5500 transcripts. Let's suppose there are 5 or 6 smucks who've been given this job of editing. The hours are long, the candlelight it hard on the eyes and soon they decided to liven the stories up a little, to break the monotony and who's going to know? So now there's a revised and edited version. Wait a minute, still too big, it would take a donkey to carry a tome like that. More editing. Well now, these 6 schmucks are the only ones who can read this so it must be translated into another language so others can read it. And on it went. Translation after translation and more and more editing. The most drastic editing came about with the invention of the press. Then King James ordered a new revised version that could be printed. Is there anything of the original transcripts in the present day bible?
Are you talking about the bible, or Obamacare. Hard to tell...
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I will say that there is much archaeological and historical proof that supports the Bible's authenticity, for those with an open mind and who are willing to consider all facts available. For those who have already decided to ignore those facts, nothing anyone else says will change that.
You're apparently going under the assumption that some of us who know how the modern Bible was compiled and created are atheists. One should never make such presumptions when one doesn't have all the facts.

Archeological digs and historical fact checking have proven that some of the places existed and things that occurred actually happened. That still doesn't prove a particular natural disaster was the wrath of God, even though the Bible may state it as such. The Bible is an historical volume that's true, but it doesn't mean it's the unadulterated Word of God.

The Bible is full of sexual deviance, murder, and intrigue. Pretty racy stuff for a holy book, don't you think? Some of the people involved in a lot of the worst stuff were never punished for their sins, either. King David was a liar, adulterer and murderer, yet he was one of God's champions according to the Bible, and with his adulterous mistress sired Israel's greatest King, Solomon.

Let's also not forget Lot's two daughters who decided to get their father drunk and have sex with him, because they wanted children. They both gave birth to sons who became the founders of two great peoples. Doesn't sound much like punishment from on High for the grievous crime of incest, does it?

Being able to see the discrepancies in the Bible and knowing that it wasn't compiled purely from the mind of God doesn't mean one is necessarily an atheist. I am, however, every religious denomination's worst nightmare; a thinking Christian who can make up her own mind and see that the Bible has been heavily influenced by the hand of man since its inception.

As far as other people being atheists, that's their decision. I believe they're entitled to their peace and to be left alone by religious zealots trying to 'save' them. Any true Christian (or non-Christian) knows we can save only one person, and that's ourselves. Haranguing someone because they don't believe is NOT the way to make someone curious about getting to know God.

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Have to ask on this thread if this makes any sense. Heard on the news last night that atheist are insisting the military start recruiting atheist chaplains for them.
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Not sure what an atheist chaplain would preach. Since there is no God according to them, what kind of doctrine would they expect to follow?

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Not sure what an atheist chaplain would preach. Since there is no God according to them, what kind of doctrine would they expect to follow?
Duh.....they'd follow the doctrine of aetheism
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Hmmm, so maybe they'd play poker, drink beer, and then chant, 'Thank ME it's Sunday!'
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