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post #121 of 347 Old 07-24-2013, 12:39 PM
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That link shows why the military doesn't accept Humanism for a chaplain.

Humanism rejects:
-revelation
-mysticism
-divinity
-tradition
-authoritarianism
-faith

So if you reject things like divinity, faith and revelation just exactly how would a humanist chaplain deal with his religious congregation? If you reject tradition and authoritarianism how will a humanist chaplain fair in the military over all? I can see why they are not a recognized organization.
If you believe all those things are true, how can a religious person offer assistance to a humanist/atheists?

If you claim a person of religious faith can set that aside to assist someone without faith, than the counter argument is true as well.
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That's an easy argument to counter. This discussion thread wouldn't even exist if religious people didn't reach out to atheist.
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My point, if you missed it, is that an atheist could just as easily reach out to a religious person. If one can do it, than so can another and you cannot keep them out of a position because they are "not religious" and cannot offer comfort to a religious person.
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I belong to a CoDa step study group that believes in a higher power to turn our will & our lives over to. I don't believe in god so I use the stories of my fellow seekers of mental health & serenity. It works for me.
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Religion as a topic? I thought this was a horse forum. C'mon folks, unless I missed something this is a bit of stretch. Carry on.
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Religion as a topic? I thought this was a horse forum. C'mon folks, unless I missed something this is a bit of stretch. Carry on.
It's in General Off Topic, so anything goes. I can see you're fairly new here....
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I know you're point and disagree. Why? Because most if not all military chaplains have a degree in religion. Not only that they have to study and understand the different faiths so they can also work with all denominations in their command and give sermons. Now how is someone who doesn't believe in god going to do get those credentials? I'll give you it is possible but it's not likely
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An article about the person in question: Outspoken Atheist Seeks Position As U.S. Navy Chaplain | Christian News Network

Says he has 2 master's degrees but not in what. From what I gather, the only thing holding him back is the endorsement.
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After reading that I'm even more convinced this guy shouldn't be a chaplain in the military. He can still serve if he wants and sounds qualified to, just not as a chaplain.

FYI, according to the article there's an estimated 10,000 agnostic and atheist in the military. Since this information is put on your dog tags I would say they have a pretty good idea of the stats. Split those 10,000 up amongst all the commands in all the branches and whoop dee doo, there's a few per command. The command would be better served with a regular chaplain than this guy.

This is all about pushing an agenda that maybe a couple people want. I bet if you polled those 10,000 you would find most saying they don't think the guy should be a chaplain.
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No...it's about all belief systems being equal, regardless if there's 1 or 1000 or 10000000000. Progress comes from people willing to make a stand. I'm sure I can find a group on that list that has maybe a handful of service members involved with. Should groups like that be taken off the list because they're not popular?

I think if be can do the job, which I believe he can, and if he's qualified which it sounds like he is he should be a chaplain.

It's not an attack against Christians. He's just trying to say his belief system is just as valid.
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