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        07-27-2013, 06:55 PM
      #211
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    A week ago I had a chance encounter with an old friend at our medical clinic but she hastened away. Today I got the story. The night before she'd had a stroke and could see only light and dark. This woman over the past 10 years has been attacked by one form of cancer after another. The first in her shoulder, chemo and surgery. It returned a few years later. Knee surgery, cancer returned in her mouth, more chemo and surgery. Because the chemo steals calcium from the bones her lower back now requires shots of potent drugs and now the stroke. I asked her what else could be thrown at her. Her response was God was looking after her. I suggested perhaps he'd turned his back on her. She believed he'd give her only what she could handle that she needed to believe that.
    Maybe you could have told her something a little more uplifting from your own book of faith, you know, something like, before modern medicine either the child or the mother died at childbirth - so it is a miracle that any humans are alive - anywhere.
         
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        07-27-2013, 07:19 PM
      #212
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    Oh my. I really have no words for your little story...

    Welcome to the stereotypical athiest club.
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        07-27-2013, 07:46 PM
      #213
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    Hmmmm Saddlebag if I were your old friend I would've hastened away too hearing a remark like what you said....atheist or not.
         
        07-27-2013, 08:09 PM
      #214
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    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    missymay, there are similarities in the values of all the major religions.

    As for me, I was raised by huge religious hypocrites. So I read and was preached to, and went to Christian school, and
    Largely kept apartmfrom my peers (wasnt allowed outside, and apparently all the neighbors were evil). I found that not hurting people for the sake of not hurting people MAKES SENSE. As do most of the othwr religious "rules". I reject the reasoning, and just try to be a good person.
    Religion set forth a guideline that allowed the human race to be successful as a large com,munoty. You could replace the wordmreligion with culture, and the effect is the same. But really it boiled down to rules to keep us together cohesively instead of killing each other over goats, women and farmland. I just think that many of us see the sense in containing ourselvea without the threat of hellfire.
    I think religion is a very personal "matter". I am guessing your parent's personal interpretation of whatever religion is the exception. I don't fear hellfire, for example, and I have absolutely no desire to "convert" anyone to my way of thinking.
    People can have bad thoughts, but not act on their thoughts b/c they fear the consequences of what they will face here on earth due to laws - written or otherwise. Almost all known "societies" practice(d) some sort of religion and had/have cultures, and many never constructed cities. But, no civilization was ever created w/o agriculture of some sort. Of course, communist states eliminated religion by law "after" both the cities and religion(s) existed. Other animals have cultures, and they contain themselves, too - but granted, no cities, none known, anyway. I don't think religion is all that keeps people from committing crimes either, in other words - and I don't think religions were independently devised to "control the masses" while civilizations were being built. Humans are the most dangerous animal on the planet, bar none. Like it or not, w/o freedom of religion any freedom you have is guaranteed to evaporate - not civilization. Maybe civilization as you know it, but not civilization. While people are free in a free society to attack religion (I am not saying you are), they might want to look at the really big picture.
    Religious persecution is either a good thing, or it is not.
         
        07-27-2013, 08:15 PM
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    Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
    Ditto this. "You people" comes off as very condescending, hostile and just snarky.
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    Sorry you take it that way, but that is your problem - not mine. A person can assign connotations to just about anything if they are so inclined. The word "shuffle" is offensive to many blacks when referring to blacks, but there are perfectly innocent ways to use the word. "Greasy" is offensive when referring to Italians or Mexicans, but it is not offensive to say hamburgers are greasy.

    Why look for something that is not there and try to make something out of nothing?...
         
        07-27-2013, 08:21 PM
      #216
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    Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
    I have a hard time understanding what it accomplished by throwing that statement at someone that is faithful and obviously using that faith to stay strong. Nothing like a kick to the ribs when someone is down.

    Erm, agreed!

    I have my beliefs, others have theirs. My inner belief is that religion is a crutch, and one I don't need.

    But dammit, others believe, and that poor soul, of all people, NEEDS that belief! If anything, it clearly gives her the strength to keep going.

    IMHO, there is nothing to be gained by rudely attacking someones religious beliefs, and especially kicking someone when they're down. :(

    If she was someone who made you suffer greatly, that's one thing, but its stated that the sick woman is a "friend". As they say though..."with friends like these"!
         
        07-27-2013, 08:22 PM
      #217
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    A week ago I had a chance encounter with an old friend at our medical clinic but she hastened away. Today I got the story. The night before she'd had a stroke and could see only light and dark. This woman over the past 10 years has been attacked by one form of cancer after another. The first in her shoulder, chemo and surgery. It returned a few years later. Knee surgery, cancer returned in her mouth, more chemo and surgery. Because the chemo steals calcium from the bones her lower back now requires shots of potent drugs and now the stroke. I asked her what else could be thrown at her. Her response was God was looking after her. I suggested perhaps he'd turned his back on her. She believed he'd give her only what she could handle that she needed to believe that.
    Do you also pull the wings off of flies and kick puppies? This is a case where I hope whatever goes around comes around. As the saying goes, with friends like you...
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        07-27-2013, 08:27 PM
      #218
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    Do you also pull the wings off of flies and kick puppies? This is a case where I hope whatever goes around comes around. As the saying goes, with friends like you...
    If westboro baptist is no more representative of the Christian Church

    Than the Taliban is of Islam

    I hope that people understand that unkindnesses like The OP's comment to her friend are not representative of the majority of nonbelievers....
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        07-27-2013, 08:27 PM
      #219
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    A week ago I had a chance encounter with an old friend at our medical clinic but she hastened away. Today I got the story. The night before she'd had a stroke and could see only light and dark. This woman over the past 10 years has been attacked by one form of cancer after another. The first in her shoulder, chemo and surgery. It returned a few years later. Knee surgery, cancer returned in her mouth, more chemo and surgery. Because the chemo steals calcium from the bones her lower back now requires shots of potent drugs and now the stroke. I asked her what else could be thrown at her. Her response was God was looking after her. I suggested perhaps he'd turned his back on her. She believed he'd give her only what she could handle that she needed to believe that.
    Really?, I guess she could say; with friends like that, who needs enemies

    That was a very cruel thing to say to her.

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        07-27-2013, 08:32 PM
      #220
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    A week ago I had a chance encounter with an old friend at our medical clinic but she hastened away. Today I got the story. The night before she'd had a stroke and could see only light and dark. This woman over the past 10 years has been attacked by one form of cancer after another. The first in her shoulder, chemo and surgery. It returned a few years later. Knee surgery, cancer returned in her mouth, more chemo and surgery. Because the chemo steals calcium from the bones her lower back now requires shots of potent drugs and now the stroke. I asked her what else could be thrown at her. Her response was God was looking after her. I suggested perhaps he'd turned his back on her. She believed he'd give her only what she could handle that she needed to believe that.

    Yikes!

    I don't know where you work , but I hope it isn't at "our medical clinic" where you might have to have some semblance of a bedside manner.
         

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