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        06-27-2014, 11:46 AM
      #301
    Trained
    Dancing, I don't disagree with you at all. However, they aren't bad people BECAUSE they are Christians, they're just plain bad people. Their religion isn't going to make them good or bad. Sure, they'll pretend all day long that they are the most amazing and they'll flail others with how terrible they are, but that is a personality flaw, not a flaw in the religion in question. Like Delete said they are corrupt people. Sure they "represent" their religion, but it's in the same way Big Lick trainers(or any trainer like that) represent horse people. I've met several of those people in my lifetime and they were a huge part of the reason I have stayed away from churches.

    Delete - I agree with just about everything you said too, with one exception. "Without people there would be no "god" to worship." To me, God is not religion, He is not church, or the bible, or the worship. He's (and I don't even think that he is "male" per se, it's just easier for me to say it like that) so far beyond all of that stuff it's incomparable. In my opinion, religion is what humans use to try and make God comprehensible to their minds.

    You can probably imagine the fun conversations I've had with some of my very religious friends. Actually, for the most part they are very willing to discuss their religion and they aren't generally jerks about it, but they do have their bad days, just like me, where they get a little preachy and judgmental.

    I appreciate the discussion with you guys too. I am one of those really awful people that LOVES to talk about this stuff. Not in a preachy way, my faith is my own and I have no interest in converting anyone, heck if I did I'd probably have better luck just being a decent, understanding, and compassionate person, but in a "I find this really interesting" way.
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        09-22-2014, 07:38 PM
      #302
    Weanling
    Pretty simple to me.

    Belief is a personal thing and doesn't need to be shared with anyone. I don't mind talking about it, but only if asked and I feel like the person in sincere. The word belief is fairly straightforward in that you either do or you don't. I think to try to persuade someone otherwise is a bit foolish and also fruitless. If they try to convince you or convert you, just quietly walk away. You are basically removing the audience they so desperately need. Smile and walk away. You will feel better. I promise.
         
        09-22-2014, 11:28 PM
      #303
    Foal
    All you really have to do is look at the title of this thread, then look at how quickly, and how very predictably, believers jumped in. I can't imagine circumstances in which I would reply in a thread titled "any baptists within this group" or similar.
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        09-23-2014, 12:56 AM
      #304
    Started
    Bkylem, I don't think belief is so straightforward as 'you do or you don't'. I used to call myself irrevocably atheist, but after Philosophy classes, Psychology classes, even Biology classes I've decided agnostic is a little more fitting. I don't know that I believe, because you can't prove either way that higher power does or does not exist. I don't believe in organized religion, I think it's a social structure that has done and is doing far more harm than good. But that doesn't mean I don't support a person's right to choose what they do and don't 'believe' in. Where it stops being okay, to me, is when religion is fed to children outside of their own homes (school, media, etc.), and when religion is pushed on others, when it infiltrates ANY other institution (school, government, etc.) that isn't private, and when it detracts from the rights of others. As I've become more open-minded I've decided not to take offence (as I used to) to people bringing up their religion, talking about their religion, using their religion to console other people, etc. and what it took was for me to look at things at a more basic human level. For somebody to say they're praying for me (outside of prayers for change, that is ) doesn't actually have very much to do with religion. What it has to do with is that PERSON on an individual level doing what they think at the bottom of their heart will help, it's incredibly meaningful. Unfortunately, because it's tied to religion, there tends to be a very strong bitterness about it.

    There will always be extremists, which is a large part of the reason I'm against organized-religion (although I acknowledge extremists exist outside of any one organized religion), and I am still vehemently against them, but since the first time I've posted on this thread I've had a bit of a change of heart
         
        09-23-2014, 05:44 AM
      #305
    Weanling
    Atheist here. I don't have much experience with religious people being rude, other than JWs ringing at the door and trying to leave their leaflets.

    I usually avoid the topic though; my non-belief is a belief in itself, and I don't want to be insulting and belittle other people own believes.
    Especially since I recognize that religion helps many people with everyday life, it gives them strength and hope during hard times. It would be awful of me to tell them that in my opinion they are fooling themselves. If they are happy this way, who am I to be mean about it?

    Anyway, I couldn't marry a very religious man. Being respectful with friends and random barely known people is one thing, sharing everyday life (and possibly raise children) is another.

    I'm already having small disagreements with my mom since I told her that, when I'll marry, I don't want to marry in church (which is a huge tradition here). The reason is not that I hate religion and don't want to have anything to do with it; but going there and making promises "in front of God", when I think that there is no god, would be very disrespectful towards the priest who believes in it. I was already baptized when I was too young to have an opinion about it, and had the first communion when I was still young enough to just do it because I was told to. I think that it's more than enough.
         
        09-23-2014, 09:16 AM
      #306
    Foal
    "Where it stops being okay, to me, is when religion is fed to children outside of their own homes (school, media, etc.), and when religion is pushed on others, when it infiltrates ANY other institution (school, government, etc.) "


    If someone wants a religion-based education for ther children, there is no lack of church schools out there, or they can home school. Public schools are just that - public, for everyone, of any or no religion. But that's not enough for some believers, they want everyone taught in their specific belief system, they want books banned that they don't approve of, creationism taught as science, organized prayer to their deity, etc.

    Some also want to ring your doorbell at any hour, trespass and break the laws under the guise of "religious freedom". They want tax breaks and incentives for their own brand of fundamentalism ::cough cough creation 'museum' cough::
    When we lived in KY I had a "no preaching" sticker on the window next to the door and there were posted 'no soliciting' signs in the neighborhood but it never stopped the JW's and Mormons, I think they saw it as a challenge.
         
        09-23-2014, 09:42 AM
      #307
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    Originally Posted by Katz1411    
    All you really have to do is look at the title of this thread, then look at how quickly, and how very predictably, believers jumped in. I can't imagine circumstances in which I would reply in a thread titled "any baptists within this group" or similar.
    It's an open board, and posters are free to discuss the topic whether or not they're believers. If all you want is agreement from like minded people, maybe starting a blog or closed group is a better idea.

    I've often seen Christian-based threads inundated by nonbelievers, so the blade is double edged.

    Believe or not believe, as your conscience dictates. Living a moral life should be everyone's goal, regardless of their spirituality or lack thereof.
         
        09-23-2014, 11:22 AM
      #308
    Teen Forum Moderator
    I only read the last few pages out of curiosity, so forgive me if I'm missing something here.

    I am fairly certain that most of you realize that I am a Christian by now...my denomination does not matter in my opinion... from previous threads, so maybe I'm unwelcome here.

    However, I'm utterly confused about what a few of you are saying, beginning with Saddlebag's comment,
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    Originally Posted by saddlebag
    I don't understand the importance of a belief that heaven waits for believers. If heaven is the place many Christians would have us believe, then why don't they end their lives and be done with their earthly existence? I know when I die I'll become dirt and that's ok by me.
    Yes, heaven waits for those of us who are believers in Christ, but we don't "just end our lives" for a large variety of reason. I'm actually kind of horrified by your statement. Surely you don't believe all of us are that selfish or petty? We aren't just so 'holy above holy' that we WISH we could just die and go to heaven, but don't because we're not allowed to. In fact we live in freedom, and if we want to kill ourselves, just like you can kill yourself, so can we. There are consequences, but that doesn't condemn us to hell- although that is a popular myth. Salvation, remember, is a gift. You can not un-earn a gift by doing something bad. That doesn't mean it is right to do it though.

    Some of those reasons that we stick around thought, are that we are called to 'advance' or 'share gospel. However, it actually isn't our job to 'convert' anyone because I think you will all agree with me when I say that you have independent minds and choices, and it is 100% entirely up to YOU what you do. We are also called to glorify God, who is our creator, and take care of each other- Christian or otherwise.

    We do not earn entrance into heaven. As I said, it is a gift. Good deed are to be done for his glory as we try to be more like him, but they aren't required.

    I'll stop trying to correct your beliefs about our beliefs now, and get to the point I actually came here to make.

    Like I said, Endiku = a Christian. Not one like any of the ones you guys seem to be describing...I work very hard to "walk what I talk" and I, also, see a big problem with hippocracy...everywhere. Not just church and not just outside of it.

    I'm not incredibly verbal about my faith. If you ask me, you'd better believe that I'm going to tell you about my faith, but I am otherwise more of an observer. I do not tell people they will go to hell after meeting them and finding out that they aren't Christians, and I NEVER lower myself enough to make fun of unbelievers. However I do realize that their are Christians who do these things.

    But you know what else I've found out? Athiests are a big culprit when it comes to this too, but because they're 'not religious' they seem to get less flack for it. I have a History Professor at my college who, from the moment he opened his mouth, obviously had something against Christians and the idea of God. He is snarky, condescending, and cruel in the words that he says towards Christians. He constantly makes fun of us and of God, pretending to apologize to a 'fake god in the pie in the sky' when he curses or says something crude about us, lifting his hands up and rolling his eyes back. When he realized that I was a Christian (and note that I had stayed silent and endured this for 3 weeks before this incident) after directly asking me "well YOU don't believe in this crap do you?!", he turned all of his comments to me, constantly belittling my faith and making the other student laugh. I'm only a month into classes now and feel like I only go in there to be demeaned.

    But no one really mentions that or cares, because he isn't religious. Freedom of speech, right? It's ok to say terrible things about my religion, try to quote my bible (by the way he says everything completely wrong, from a different religion that he has mixed up, or out of context), and make me sound stupid for believing what I do, because he isn't push a BELIEF on anything. Except for maybe one that I am a ridiculous person who believes in fairy tales.

    Turns out there are a lot of people like that. I know of at least 4 others who use personal attacks and sarcasm to argue with believers, instead of real facts. Isn't this exactly the same thing that you guys complain that we do?

    But you aren't associated with them, you might say. Not all athiests are that way. In fact many aren't. Most are quiet about their lack of belief.

    It is EXACTLY the same with us. We have good and bad, loud and quiet, cruel and kind. I feel like this is really a "pot meet kettle" type of topic.
         
        09-23-2014, 11:48 AM
      #309
    Yearling
    I am an athiest as well..it does NOT go over well for my religious family, also that we haven't had our daughter baptised is another thing they don't like, but I feel it's my choice, I don't force my beliefs on anyone, and I don't like people trying to convert me back ( which most of my family does all the time). I tell them that when I die, I have about 10 people I am going to haunt the krud out of, because of the krud they gave me in life, which usually makes them be quiet
         
        09-23-2014, 01:01 PM
      #310
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    It's an open board, and posters are free to discuss the topic whether or not they're believers. If all you want is agreement from like minded people, maybe starting a blog or closed group is a better idea.

    I've often seen Christian-based threads inundated by nonbelievers, so the blade is double edged.

    Believe or not believe, as your conscience dictates. Living a moral life should be everyone's goal, regardless of their spirituality or lack thereof.
    :::shrug::: You'll never see me on christian based threads, I simply have no interest. And the title asked about other atheists here, not for debate. Of course anyone can post anything anywhere here, and so I'm equally free to point out how indicative it is that christians just had to jump in.
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